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"NAIKOFIG"the way drops are done is just stupid speaking for dsoma anyway, there is maybe 1 55 skill spear ingame right now. Because of the way drops are allocated this wont change any time soon. i can get making drops rare to bootst the economy but no drops at all means no economy. How is it logical that conti GH drop horned spears 33 skill yet also drop a axe of wreckage 99 skill? Thats just one of the riddiculous ways drops are atm, dont get me started on the 61 skill and above weapons. As for armor how is it that dread drops from EGF and RG but i can get supreme from conti FW . IT Does Not Make Any Sense! This exactly :P
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[quote="AZUMI"][quote="NAIKOFIG"]the way drops are done is just stupid speaking for dsoma anyway, there is maybe 1 55 skill spear ingame right now. Because of the way drops are allocated this wont change any time soon. i can get making drops rare to bootst the economy but no drops at all means no economy. How is it logical that conti GH drop horned spears 33 skill yet also drop a axe of wreckage 99 skill? Thats just one of the riddiculous ways drops are atm, dont get me started on the 61 skill and above weapons. As for armor how is it that dread drops from EGF and RG but i can get supreme from conti FW . IT Does Not Make Any Sense![/quote]
This exactly :P[/quote]
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#16 2013/09/08 08:45:13 |
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"NAIKOFIG"the way drops are done is just stupid speaking for dsoma anyway, there is maybe 1 55 skill spear ingame right now. Because of the way drops are allocated this wont change any time soon. i can get making drops rare to bootst the economy but no drops at all means no economy. How is it logical that conti GH drop horned spears 33 skill yet also drop a axe of wreckage 99 skill? Thats just one of the riddiculous ways drops are atm, dont get me started on the 61 skill and above weapons. Whilst it doesn't make sense, this is exactly how esoma was and they (WE) managed to get by. I do think the drops need looking at, it seems if you don't have a mage friend you're stuck in dread for a while... and if you want your next spear, go hunt lesser mobs... weird.
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[quote="HIPPY"][quote="NAIKOFIG"]the way drops are done is just stupid speaking for dsoma anyway, there is maybe 1 55 skill spear ingame right now. Because of the way drops are allocated this wont change any time soon. i can get making drops rare to bootst the economy but no drops at all means no economy. How is it logical that conti GH drop horned spears 33 skill yet also drop a axe of wreckage 99 skill? Thats just one of the riddiculous ways drops are atm, dont get me started on the 61 skill and above weapons.
As for armor how is it that dread drops from EGF and RG but i can get supreme from conti FW .
IT Does Not Make Any Sense![/quote]
Whilst it doesn't make sense, this is exactly how esoma was and they (WE) managed to get by.
I do think the drops need looking at, it seems if you don't have a mage friend you're stuck in dread for a while... and if you want your next spear, go hunt lesser mobs... weird.[/quote]
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#17 2013/09/08 08:49:18 |
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yeah but esoma had alot more players and ppl didnt know shit so every1 was hunting everything. Its not like that now and i wasnt happy then either paying 500k for a 50 skill weapon or was it 56 cant remember :p.
im just suggesting some1 goes over the drops lists and make mosters drop something appropiate to the lvl you hunt them mainly FW's and GH's both on hwan and conti (like what they did with RC's). This can be a very low drop rate but as long as ppl kill them some will drop and there could be an economy unlike the non excistent one we have now.
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[quote="NAIKOFIG"]yeah but esoma had alot more players and ppl didnt know shit so every1 was hunting everything. Its not like that now and i wasnt happy then either paying 500k for a 50 skill weapon or was it 56 cant remember :p.
im just suggesting some1 goes over the drops lists and make mosters drop something appropiate to the lvl you hunt them mainly FW's and GH's both on hwan and conti (like what they did with RC's). This can be a very low drop rate but as long as ppl kill them some will drop and there could be an economy unlike the non excistent one we have now.
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#18 2013/09/08 08:59:25 |
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"NAIKOFIG"yeah but esoma had alot more players and ppl didnt know shit so every1 was hunting everything. Its not like that now and i wasnt happy then either paying 500k for a 50 skill weapon or was it 56 cant remember :p. I do agree but the idea of a noob getting a good drop at DS is also good, if mobs dropped what we need when we needed then game would be far too easy. I think GMs do actually want to us to go out and hunt the likes of EE for a 55 skill spear and I've got no problem with that.... but I can see myself spending days there only to find it's been added to hopper drop file.... bit of a piss take. Like when Spiked was added to RC, it was a bit of a let down IMO.
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[quote="HIPPY"][quote="NAIKOFIG"]yeah but esoma had alot more players and ppl didnt know shit so every1 was hunting everything. Its not like that now and i wasnt happy then either paying 500k for a 50 skill weapon or was it 56 cant remember :p.
im just suggesting some1 goes over the drops lists and make mosters drop something appropiate to the lvl you hunt them mainly FW's and GH's both on hwan and conti (like what they did with RC's). This can be a very low drop rate but as long as ppl kill them some will drop and there could be an economy unlike the non excistent one we have now.
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I do agree but the idea of a noob getting a good drop at DS is also good, if mobs dropped what we need when we needed then game would be far too easy.
I think GMs do actually want to us to go out and hunt the likes of EE for a 55 skill spear and I've got no problem with that.... but I can see myself spending days there only to find it's been added to hopper drop file.... bit of a piss take.
Like when Spiked was added to RC, it was a bit of a let down IMO.[/quote]
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#19 2013/09/08 09:27:38 |
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the problem with EE's and DW's for that matter is that their drop list is to wide range and long(+ no1 is gonna hunt them, there is barely any EE spawn and the DW are covered with Devil Champs) while hwan GH for instance only drop 1 item a special gem. And i dont see the spiked as a let down there actually was an economy in spiked when it happened. Only things for me was the droprate was to high.
Anyway my main point is the droplist needs a revamp on almost all monsters so there is gear progresson and not randomness. PS GL getting spiked any other way if they didnt add it to RC's
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[quote="NAIKOFIG"]the problem with EE's and DW's for that matter is that their drop list is to wide range and long(+ no1 is gonna hunt them, there is barely any EE spawn and the DW are covered with Devil Champs) while hwan GH for instance only drop 1 item a special gem. And i dont see the spiked as a let down there actually was an economy in spiked when it happened. Only things for me was the droprate was to high.
Anyway my main point is the droplist needs a revamp on almost all monsters so there is gear progresson and not randomness.
PS GL getting spiked any other way if they didnt add it to RC's[/quote]
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#20 2013/09/08 09:35:23 |
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"NAIKOFIG"the problem with EE's and DW's for that matter is that their drop list is to wide range and long(+ no1 is gonna hunt them, there is barely any EE spawn and the DW are covered with Devil Champs) while hwan GH for instance only drop 1 item a special gem. And i dont see the spiked as a let down there actually was an economy in spiked when it happened. Only things for me was the droprate was to high. Exactly, there WAS an economy... we're 1 week after launch, I've started giving my spiked away! At the moment the only way to source Dread is to seek out a mage, what happens when(IF) Dread is added to a mob like hoppers? The economy for Dread will die. You do that with weapons the same thing will happen and soon, as always, barr will become useless. If weapons/armour are added to mobs (which I WOULD like to see) I personally think it should be at a ridiculous chance of getting a good drop... or, as above, everything will become useless.... and we're 1 week after launch. The idea of 'getting your next weapon' should actually be that of going out and hunting for it, not just plodding along like a mindless zombie rushing to get to the top level.
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[quote="HIPPY"][quote="NAIKOFIG"]the problem with EE's and DW's for that matter is that their drop list is to wide range and long(+ no1 is gonna hunt them, there is barely any EE spawn and the DW are covered with Devil Champs) while hwan GH for instance only drop 1 item a special gem. And i dont see the spiked as a let down there actually was an economy in spiked when it happened. Only things for me was the droprate was to high.[/quote]
Exactly, there WAS an economy... we're 1 week after launch, I've started giving my spiked away!
At the moment the only way to source Dread is to seek out a mage, what happens when(IF) Dread is added to a mob like hoppers? The economy for Dread will die.
You do that with weapons the same thing will happen and soon, as always, barr will become useless.
If weapons/armour are added to mobs (which I WOULD like to see) I personally think it should be at a ridiculous chance of getting a good drop... or, as above, everything will become useless.... and we're 1 week after launch.
The idea of 'getting your next weapon' should actually be that of going out and hunting for it, not just plodding along like a mindless zombie rushing to get to the top level.[/quote]
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#21 2013/09/08 09:48:55 |
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"NAIKOFIG" This is exactly my point, did esoma RC's drop Spiked? Where did they get it from??? They hunted for it! |
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"HIPPY""NAIKOFIG" Dsoma initially didn't have hwan or conti, IC was useful, so were the drops from IC, everyone needed to hunt there thus thats where the items dropped. Now that no one hunts IC, drops there are irrelevant. Is there an economy for supreme? Of course there is, however this is dropping from mobs far lower than its intended wearers. There's nothing wrong with this, just like there would be nothing wrong with dread dropping from a low/mid range, weapons are in huge demand, why, because there simply are not enough of them and still won't be enough of them. My only major issue with this is long term, this would happen regardless, once the kits are in game, you will never use them, special repair every single time. This SHOULD be changed, we should lose dura just like humans lose dura when an item is repaired. Special Repair should be available, but for a rare(ish) item. For example poison plant!!!
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[quote="AZUMI"][quote="HIPPY"][quote="NAIKOFIG"]
PS GL getting spiked any other way if they didnt add it to RC's[/quote]
This is exactly my point, did esoma RC's drop Spiked?
Where did they get it from??? They hunted for it![/quote]
Dsoma initially didn't have hwan or conti, IC was useful, so were the drops from IC, everyone needed to hunt there thus thats where the items dropped. Now that no one hunts IC, drops there are irrelevant.
Is there an economy for supreme? Of course there is, however this is dropping from mobs far lower than its intended wearers. There's nothing wrong with this, just like there would be nothing wrong with dread dropping from a low/mid range, weapons are in huge demand, why, because there simply are not enough of them and still won't be enough of them.
My only major issue with this is long term, this would happen regardless, once the kits are in game, you will never use them, special repair every single time. This SHOULD be changed, we should lose dura just like humans lose dura when an item is repaired.
Special Repair should be available, but for a rare(ish) item. For example poison plant!!![/quote]
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#23 2013/09/08 10:00:26 |
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there was no hunting for it only came available once ppl could do DW with pot spam which was retarded.
anyway this is a revamp of soma not esoma if things can be improved why not do it just like the click hold. If you wanted esoma let hsoma play for what a 1.5 years then implement dsoma with just pandi and IC and add conti and hwan later.
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[quote="NAIKOFIG"]there was no hunting for it only came available once ppl could do DW with pot spam which was retarded.
anyway this is a revamp of soma not esoma if things can be improved why not do it just like the click hold.
If you wanted esoma let hsoma play for what a 1.5 years then implement dsoma with just pandi and IC and add conti and hwan later.[/quote]
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#24 2013/09/08 10:05:22 |
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Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful...
It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs. If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps. Simple as that. Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market.
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[quote="HIPPY"]Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful...
It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs.
If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps.
Simple as that.
Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market.
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#25 2013/09/08 10:08:06 |
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AZUMI |
lol, I remember that. Everyone was as red as the DW's permanently!
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#26 2013/09/08 10:08:43 |
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"HIPPY"Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful... there is no good EE spawn to begin with ive tried :p i did get lots of devil spirits and black metal plates tho and deceiver crap . which is why im advocating for a droplist overhaul thats all if you want it on EE'sand DW's atleast make their drop list shorter. its like i said earlier DW's drop 20+ items hwan GH's 1.
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[quote="NAIKOFIG"][quote="HIPPY"]Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful...
It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs.
If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps.
Simple as that.
Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market.
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there is no good EE spawn to begin with ive tried :p i did get lots of devil spirits and black metal plates tho and deceiver crap . which is why im advocating for a droplist overhaul thats all if you want it on EE'sand DW's atleast make their drop list shorter. its like i said earlier DW's drop 20+ items hwan GH's 1.
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#27 2013/09/08 10:10:28 |
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"HIPPY"Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful... It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs. If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps. Simple as that. Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market. Or change the stats of the mobs? Did you ever see an old skool (pre wotw) devil Vs a new skool devil at the same level @ 70+ ? This is why no one wants to hunt EE's!
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[quote="AZUMI"][quote="HIPPY"]Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful... It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs. If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps. Simple as that. Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market. [/quote]
Or change the stats of the mobs?
Did you ever see an old skool (pre wotw) devil Vs a new skool devil at the same level @ 70+ ? This is why no one wants to hunt EE's![/quote]
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#28 2013/09/08 10:10:31 |
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"AZUMI""HIPPY"Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful... It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs. If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps. Simple as that. Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market. Change them to what? Hwan Hoppers - Strength: 74 (-18) Intel: 50 (-24) Defensive Dex: 42 (+6) Offensive Dex: 65 (-17) IC EEs - Strength: 74 (-18) Intel: 73 (-47) Defensive Dex: 55 (-7) Offensive Dex: 60 (-12) Looking at that, if you're hunting hoppers, EEs should be pretty much identical for stats? As Naik has said, the spawn is terrible and the drop list is too big - black metal plates etc etc. If the drop file was tweaked and maybe the spawn looked at, we'd see more 55 skill weps?
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[quote="HIPPY"][quote="AZUMI"][quote="HIPPY"]Well why is IC not useful now? EEs are the only huntable mob which drop the 55 skill spear I need... that to me, sounds like IC could be useful... It's because we would rather hunt hoppers than EEs. If everyone who needed a 55 skill weapon went to the pit in IC.... we'd have an economy for 55 skill weps. Simple as that. Tweak EE/mongman drops from black metal plates to something useful and you'd see a shit load of people there, resulting in a shit load of 55 skill weps on the market. [/quote]
Or change the stats of the mobs?
Did you ever see an old skool (pre wotw) devil Vs a new skool devil at the same level @ 70+ ? This is why no one wants to hunt EE's![/quote]
Change them to what?
Hwan Hoppers -
Strength: 74 (-18)
Intel: 50 (-24)
Defensive Dex: 42 (+6)
Offensive Dex: 65 (-17)
IC EEs -
Strength: 74 (-18)
Intel: 73 (-47)
Defensive Dex: 55 (-7)
Offensive Dex: 60 (-12)
Looking at that, if you're hunting hoppers, EEs should be pretty much identical for stats?
As Naik has said, the spawn is terrible and the drop list is too big - black metal plates etc etc.
If the drop file was tweaked and maybe the spawn looked at, we'd see more 55 skill weps?[/quote]
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#29 2013/09/08 10:24:52 |
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Most of these things we're actually fixed with the bosses. Look around on the armory.
Also a hint, just because a mob is called a boss doesn't mean it's stronger than EDW. The advise I gave sylver led to these bosses and some other minor changes which you have to find out for yourselves. Next weekend I'll present a next proposal.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Most of these things we're actually fixed with the bosses. Look around on the armory.
Also a hint, just because a mob is called a boss doesn't mean it's stronger than EDW.
The advise I gave sylver led to these bosses and some other minor changes which you have to find out for yourselves. Next weekend I'll present a next proposal.[/quote]
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