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Regarding my first post, what is fair that humans have actually have a % where they can win.
Devils have probably had conti ~75% of the time or so. |
#16 2013/11/27 22:13:25 |
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ACAELUS |
http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/pos.asp
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#17 2013/11/27 22:14:13 |
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"ACAELUS"http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/pos.asp This is from the start of the server, where devils indeed had a major upperhand. Just check the devils in the list: Bomboklat (doesn't play anymore) Lazarus (doesn't play anymore) Tasteless (doesn't play anymore) Jatsu (doesn't play anymore) Perfect (doesn't play anymore) 187 (hasn't attended wotw for a while, gained it all early on) Ignite (Horus' devil, bought his pos) Even Gravija got his pos early on, you won't see him killing anyone his own level on this %. Nobody is asking for devils to be able to 2 shot humans with a % adjustment, but is it unreasonable to want to be able to kill humans of equal level, considering we're outnumbered?
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ACAELUS"]http://myth-of-soma.com/Armory/pos.asp[/quote]
This is from the start of the server, where devils indeed had a major upperhand.
Just check the devils in the list:
Bomboklat (doesn't play anymore)
Lazarus (doesn't play anymore)
Tasteless (doesn't play anymore)
Jatsu (doesn't play anymore)
Perfect (doesn't play anymore)
187 (hasn't attended wotw for a while, gained it all early on)
Ignite (Horus' devil, bought his pos)
Even Gravija got his pos early on, you won't see him killing anyone his own level on this %.
Nobody is asking for devils to be able to 2 shot humans with a % adjustment, but is it unreasonable to want to be able to kill humans of equal level, considering we're outnumbered?
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#18 2013/11/27 22:17:35 |
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Its not unreasonable to WANT a % increase (Want and need are two different things)
But yes, it is completely unreasonable for it to be implemented... With 2.5% more of an increase (previous 2 weeks) devils won 2/2 wars. If 58.5% is too low, give a few weeks and the system will bring it up by itself to allow devils to win. You will just have to accept this and be ok with humans occasionally winning conti
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[quote="FUJITORA"]Its not unreasonable to WANT a % increase (Want and need are two different things)
But yes, it is completely unreasonable for it to be implemented...
With 2.5% more of an increase (previous 2 weeks) devils won 2/2 wars.
If 58.5% is too low, give a few weeks and the system will bring it up by itself to allow devils to win.
You will just have to accept this and be ok with humans occasionally winning conti[/quote]
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#19 2013/11/27 22:30:09 |
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ACAELUS |
It evens itself out eventually, if humans are over powered we'll win for a few weeks. You guys will just have to deal with it like humans had to deal with it. Then the % will go further in your favor an when you win it wont snap back to us being op.
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#20 2013/11/27 22:30:35 |
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TOLIC |
forget the % the amount what turn up for each race decides who wins the war you have had conti 75% of the time.
don't start complaining about % just because we got a decent turnout for a change |
#21 2013/11/27 22:34:15 |
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I agree, but as previously mentioned, when the % reaches 60, humans fail to attend leading to a loss.
It gives the false impression that the % is in favour of devils. Showing up and having a reasonable % is what should be the aim, not necessarily the end result, else we might as well rotate conti's ownership.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]I agree, but as previously mentioned, when the % reaches 60, humans fail to attend leading to a loss.
It gives the false impression that the % is in [b]favour[/b] of devils.
Showing up and having a reasonable % is what should be the aim, not necessarily the end result, else we might as well rotate conti's ownership.[/quote]
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#22 2013/11/27 22:34:18 |
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FUJITORA |
FujitoraIf people dont turn up because they think they will die, thats their problem, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that. Although i believe your are mistaken, take last war for example there was almost as many humans last week as this week Humans tried their best, but were unable to win (we had 1 stone and about 2 seconds away from having a 2nd) You cant say humans didn't show up at 61% or didnt try to win, because they did and they almost won too... Go and watch linkdxs video of last week
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[quote="FUJITORA"] [quote=Fujitora]If people dont turn up because they think they will die, thats their problem, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that.[/quote]
Although i believe your are mistaken, take last war for example there was almost as many humans last week as this week
Humans tried their best, but were unable to win (we had 1 stone and about 2 seconds away from having a 2nd)
You cant say humans didn't show up at 61% or didnt try to win, because they did and they almost won too...
Go and watch linkdxs video of last week[/quote]
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#23 2013/11/27 22:48:08 |
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"FUJITORA"FujitoraIf people dont turn up because they think they will die, thats their problem, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that. What about week before that tho Human owned conti and Wotw ended with tolic as a 1 man army in throne room vs all devils And I fear it's going to be the same as next week even tho % will be same as that close war u mentioned
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[quote="REHLINA"][quote="FUJITORA"] [quote=Fujitora]If people dont turn up because they think they will die, thats their problem, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about that.[/quote]
Although i believe your are mistaken, take last war for example there was almost as many humans last week as this week
Humans tried their best, but were unable to win (we had 1 stone and about 2 seconds away from having a 2nd)
You cant say humans didn't show up at 61% or didnt try to win, because they did and they almost won too...
Go and watch linkdxs video of last week[/quote]
What about week before that tho
Human owned conti and Wotw ended with tolic as a 1 man army in throne room vs all devils
And I fear it's going to be the same as next week even tho % will be same as that close war u mentioned[/quote]
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#24 2013/11/27 23:01:25 |
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GREATERIX |
"REHLINA" Think that was more of the fact that specific war was on a friday, and people went out. The only way to get a 100%, no arguments fair war is to have a race-roster. IE, you want to fight, sign up a few days before, then the numbers can be evened out by rejecting a few on the team with the most. But that will never happen, thus it will never be fair, the victor will only be the side with the most numbers with a favourable % backing them up. As for saying it's hard for devils to kill malefic, and that devil's can't take a db barrage - Why don't you ask Isylver how many humans were surrounding carnage on 2 seperate occasions on the way up to throne only to give up as he wouldn't die - at least malefic kisses dirt pretty quickly.
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="REHLINA"]
What about week before that tho
First devil defence after taking conti back and Wotw ended with tolic on his own for humans in throne room
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Think that was more of the fact that specific war was on a friday, and people went out.
The only way to get a 100%, no arguments fair war is to have a race-roster.
IE, you want to fight, sign up a few days before, then the numbers can be evened out by rejecting a few on the team with the most.
But that will never happen, thus it will never be fair, the victor will only be the side with the most numbers with a favourable % backing them up.
As for saying it's hard for devils to kill malefic, and that devil's can't take a db barrage - Why don't you ask Isylver how many humans were surrounding carnage on 2 seperate occasions on the way up to throne only to give up as he wouldn't die - at least malefic kisses dirt pretty quickly.[/quote]
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#25 2013/11/27 23:08:38 |
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CARNAGE |
"GREATERIX"Why don't you ask Isylver how many humans were surrounding carnage on 2 seperate occasions on the way up to throne only to give up as he wouldn't die - at least malefic kisses dirt pretty quickly. Fair enough I didn't die but I had to run off I couldn't take much more of that lmao.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="GREATERIX"]Why don't you ask Isylver how many humans were surrounding carnage on 2 seperate occasions on the way up to throne only to give up as he wouldn't die - at least malefic kisses dirt pretty quickly.[/quote]
Fair enough I didn't die but I had to run off I couldn't take much more of that lmao.
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#26 2013/11/27 23:11:10 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
"GREATERIX""REHLINA" Watch the video.
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[quote="PATHOLOGIST"][quote="GREATERIX"][quote="REHLINA"]
What about week before that tho
First devil defence after taking conti back and Wotw ended with tolic on his own for humans in throne room
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Think that was more of the fact that specific war was on a friday, and people went out.
The only way to get a 100%, no arguments fair war is to have a race-roster.
IE, you want to fight, sign up a few days before, then the numbers can be evened out by rejecting a few on the team with the most.
But that will never happen, thus it will never be fair, the victor will only be the side with the most numbers with a favourable % backing them up.
As for saying it's hard for devils to kill malefic, and that devil's can't take a db barrage - Why don't you ask Isylver how many humans were surrounding carnage on 2 seperate occasions on the way up to throne only to give up as he wouldn't die - at least malefic kisses dirt pretty quickly.[/quote]
Watch the video.[/quote]
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#27 2013/11/27 23:15:45 |
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"PATHOLOGIST" I don't need to watch the video. As it currently stands it's as fair as it's going to get - ie humans have a chance of holding it once, maybe twice a month as the % allows. The damage is fine - if I'm at home for next war I may record some footage, as tbh it seems perfectly balanced at this % - 1 v 1 should be hard, it's a group fight afterall. The main thing that bothers me is the greed & entitlement - IE everyone wants to be able to kill everyone to get the pos which you can see also on the human side when no-one weakens. That's partly why fuji's pos so high, he coordinates and get's people to weaken who he's hitting whilst having the int to do substantial damage. Perhaps there could be a system that promotes partying at the war? maybe +10/+25 pos when a party member kills, or +1 for everyone when the opposing race dies (on conti that is)
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"]
Watch the video.[/quote]
I don't need to watch the video.
As it currently stands it's as fair as it's going to get - ie humans have a chance of holding it once, maybe twice a month as the % allows.
The damage is fine - if I'm at home for next war I may record some footage, as tbh it seems perfectly balanced at this % - 1 v 1 should be hard, it's a group fight afterall.
The main thing that bothers me is the greed & entitlement - IE everyone wants to be able to kill everyone to get the pos which you can see also on the human side when no-one weakens. That's partly why fuji's pos so high, he coordinates and get's people to weaken who he's hitting whilst having the int to do substantial damage.
Perhaps there could be a system that promotes partying at the war? maybe +10/+25 pos when a party member kills, or +1 for everyone when the opposing race dies (on conti that is)
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#28 2013/11/27 23:29:26 |
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I see no problem. =]
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#29 2013/11/27 23:50:42 |
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NITE |
oops. uhmm. Maybe a feature to delete Posts isylver? :*
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#30 2013/11/28 00:08:03 |
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