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"LUPISCUS" Sorry but you dont have a clue.. |
#16 2017/03/29 20:56:26 |
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LUPISCUS |
ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge
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#17 2017/03/29 21:07:27 |
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GRAVIJA |
This is a non argument. This is what wotw % was invented for. There are positives and negatives to playing both worlds.
Get over it and don't turn this into a thread that's been done dozens of times already. |
#18 2017/03/29 21:13:01 |
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INUYASHA |
"LUPISCUS"ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge <3 |
#19 2017/03/30 07:38:06 |
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JAHEIRA |
"LUPISCUS"ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge Quite simple Wotw will never be 1v1 situation (and if it ever is that's down to ppl online not attending or not having a reason to) The human race make up roughly 63 percent of the entire server population The devil race make up roughly 36 percent of the entire server population (Pulled from the armory) You want to 1v1 a devil when the population isn't 1v1 Lets have a 2v1 fight between 3 caped humans, what's the chance the 1 human on his own is going to ever win ? O and just to point out a lvl 100 devil will also 2 shot a lvl 70 devil
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="LUPISCUS"]ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge [/quote]
Quite simple
Wotw will never be 1v1 situation (and if it ever is that's down to ppl online not attending or not having a reason to)
The human race make up roughly 63 percent of the entire server population
The devil race make up roughly 36 percent of the entire server population
(Pulled from the armory)
You want to 1v1 a devil when the population isn't 1v1
Lets have a 2v1 fight between 3 caped humans, what's the chance the 1 human on his own is going to ever win ?
O and just to point out a lvl 100 devil will also 2 shot a lvl 70 devil
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#20 2017/03/30 10:12:23 |
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LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict.
I really don't want devils nerf'd in anyway shape or form i'm happy as everything is but to sit there and say the population is everything is complete rubbish, Human attendance and Devil attendance is near even at wars.
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[quote="KAIDONE"]LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict.
I really don't want devils nerf'd in anyway shape or form i'm happy as everything is but to sit there and say the population is everything is complete rubbish, [b]Human attendance and Devil attendance is near even at wars.[/b][/quote]
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#21 2017/03/30 10:47:56 |
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my point is..what about the other , err 100's of hours in the week when wotw aint on. Humans dont go cont..well plenty dont... coz of the imbalance in stats and the risk of dropping items.
Human/dev account ratio of 3:1 , well .. humans have more store accounts for crafting/srs etc ..so ye more humans, but there seems to an upsurge in devs on the player feed in last few weeks, so i dont think theres such a huge disparity in player numbers. Im aware stats cant suddenly be equalised between races coz of the equips and att on weps etc.. just merely saying its a shame that we have an rvr game with only 1 hour a week being utilised.
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]my point is..what about the other , err 100's of hours in the week when wotw aint on. Humans dont go cont..well plenty dont... coz of the imbalance in stats and the risk of dropping items.
Human/dev account ratio of 3:1 , well .. humans have more store accounts for crafting/srs etc ..so ye more humans, but there seems to an upsurge in devs on the player feed in last few weeks, so i dont think theres such a huge disparity in player numbers.
Im aware stats cant suddenly be equalised between races coz of the equips and att on weps etc.. just merely saying its a shame that we have an rvr game with only 1 hour a week being utilised.
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#22 2017/03/30 10:51:47 |
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JAHEIRA |
"KAIDONE"LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict. Real life dosnt come near, thats like saying we will give 100 ppl sword's vs 1 person with a machine gun and see who wins Human attendance is purly down to ppl not turning up, iv gone to plenty of wars where devils have steam rolled humans untill the last 10 mins when more humans turn up to the throne room and then devils don't stand a chance (Not involving punch chars due to the new patch canceling them out) But then I suppose that's the hole issue, the amount that turn up
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="KAIDONE"]LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict.
I really don't want devils nerf'd in anyway shape or form i'm happy as everything is but to sit there and say the population is everything is complete rubbish, [b]Human attendance and Devil attendance is near even at wars.[/b][/quote]
Real life dosnt come near, thats like saying we will give 100 ppl sword's vs 1 person with a machine gun and see who wins
Human attendance is purly down to ppl not turning up, iv gone to plenty of wars where devils have steam rolled humans untill the last 10 mins when more humans turn up to the throne room and then devils don't stand a chance
(Not involving punch chars due to the new patch canceling them out)
But then I suppose that's the hole issue, the amount that turn up[/quote]
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#23 2017/03/30 10:55:13 |
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I enjoy reading these threads. Keep it constructive though, if you disagree, say why. Don't just say someone is wrong, it's wrong! Pun intended. Please be constructive and build your opinion up.
As for the topic itself. We will first work on balancing dsoma internally. After that we will look at RvR but ultimately, as Gravija said, this is why we have the percentages. I also agree that the population at wow is not a good reflection of the playing community.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]I enjoy reading these threads. Keep it constructive though, if you disagree, say why. Don't just say someone is wrong, it's wrong! Pun intended. Please be constructive and build your opinion up.
As for the topic itself. We will first work on balancing dsoma internally. After that we will look at RvR but ultimately, as Gravija said, this is why we have the percentages. I also agree that the population at wow is not a good reflection of the playing community. [/quote]
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#24 2017/03/30 11:00:31 |
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JAHEIRA |
"LUPISCUS"my point is..what about the other , err 100's of hours in the week when wotw aint on. Humans dont go cont..well plenty dont... coz of the imbalance in stats and the risk of dropping items. Devil's have plenty of store chars also, I alone have about 9 devil chars and only 2 humans The issue with conti is that you have humans still lvl ing vs caped devils, iv always argued for no item drops (which is exactly the same if a caped human pked a lvl 70 human) There is alot of humans on devils currently, tho this would change when caps raised, weather 10 lvl's is enough is another argument
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="LUPISCUS"]my point is..what about the other , err 100's of hours in the week when wotw aint on. Humans dont go cont..well plenty dont... coz of the imbalance in stats and the risk of dropping items.
Human/dev account ratio of 3:1 , well .. humans have more store accounts for crafting/srs etc ..so ye more humans, but there seems to an upsurge in devs on the player feed in last few weeks, so i dont think theres such a huge disparity in player numbers.
Im aware stats cant suddenly be equalised between races coz of the equips and att on weps etc.. just merely saying its a shame that we have an rvr game with only 1 hour a week being utilised.
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Devil's have plenty of store chars also, I alone have about 9 devil chars and only 2 humans
The issue with conti is that you have humans still lvl ing vs caped devils, iv always argued for no item drops (which is exactly the same if a caped human pked a lvl 70 human)
There is alot of humans on devils currently, tho this would change when caps raised, weather 10 lvl's is enough is another argument[/quote]
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#25 2017/03/30 11:07:39 |
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"JAHEIRA""KAIDONE"LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict. Some would argue humans vs devs is like a machine gun against a sword? The issue lies with both races being completely different with class choices, armours, weps, levelling speeds ect the only way to truly get a balance is revision of the whole game and making humans and devils almost identical, of course we would never want that to happen. The way to work around it would be to see what issues are presented over and over, tackle them and that is the closest you will be to a "balance" in short the problems i see regularly are as follows; *Punch chars dominating (This has been dealt with, or atleast is about to be) *Human Melee builds being useless (If anybody disagrees, I'll change it to not being half as effective as a devil melee class) *Devils MD is to low (excluding punch chars) *Devils Attk is to high (to change this a revamp of levelling routes would need to be implemented) *Humans Def is to low (same as above, with added problems such as boosting human weps ect) These obviously are my opinion and not facts but these are the problems I deem the most damaging.
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[quote="KAIDONE"][quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="KAIDONE"]LOL the population difference has zero significance when the amount of people attending RvR is so similar, I hate to bring an irl argument to a game but ethiopa has almost double the population of the united kingdom it wouldn't stop the uk steam rolling them if there were ever a conflict.
I really don't want devils nerf'd in anyway shape or form i'm happy as everything is but to sit there and say the population is everything is complete rubbish, [b]Human attendance and Devil attendance is near even at wars.[/b][/quote]
Real life dosnt come near, thats like saying we will give 100 ppl sword's vs 1 person with a machine gun and see who wins
Human attendance is purly down to ppl not turning up, iv gone to plenty of wars where devils have steam rolled humans untill the last 10 mins when more humans turn up to the throne room and then devils don't stand a chance
(Not involving punch chars due to the new patch canceling them out)
But then I suppose that's the hole issue, the amount that turn up[/quote]
Some would argue humans vs devs is like a machine gun against a sword? The issue lies with both races being completely different with class choices, armours, weps, levelling speeds ect the only way to truly get a balance is revision of the whole game and making humans and devils almost identical, of course we would never want that to happen.
The way to work around it would be to see what issues are presented over and over, tackle them and that is the closest you will be to a "balance" in short the problems i see regularly are as follows;
*Punch chars dominating (This has been dealt with, or atleast is about to be)
*Human Melee builds being useless (If anybody disagrees, I'll change it to not being half as effective as a devil melee class)
*Devils MD is to low (excluding punch chars)
*Devils Attk is to high (to change this a revamp of levelling routes would need to be implemented)
*Humans Def is to low (same as above, with added problems such as boosting human weps ect)
These obviously are my opinion and not facts but these are the problems I deem the most damaging.[/quote]
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#26 2017/03/30 12:41:30 |
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The % fixes most of these things but then again as devils going lower % they also lose the MD and makes them more vulnarable for magic compared to melee.
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#27 2017/03/30 13:38:28 |
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"LUPISCUS"ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge Why should i explain your ineptness, when you cant be bothered to attend any RvR event "KEKKET"The % fixes most of these things but then again as devils going lower % they also lose the MD and makes them more vulnarable for magic compared to melee. The only way to balance RvR is to split the % ....... x% attack /MA and defense x% MD (Hums would need it swapping)
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[quote="_JR_"][quote="LUPISCUS"]ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge [/quote]
Why should i explain your ineptness, when you cant be bothered to attend any RvR event
[quote="KEKKET"]The % fixes most of these things but then again as devils going lower % they also lose the MD and makes them more vulnarable for magic compared to melee. [/quote]
The only way to balance RvR is to split the % .......
x% attack /MA and defense
x% MD
(Hums would need it swapping)[/quote]
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#28 2017/03/30 19:48:30 |
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"_JR_""LUPISCUS"ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge you concede rvr needs balancing .. the whole point of my post..and the reason i dont attend. Oh , and im busy crafting.. But hey , _jr_ dont let that change ur sarcastic tone
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="_JR_"][quote="LUPISCUS"]ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge [/quote]
Why should i explain your ineptness, when you cant be bothered to attend any RvR event
[quote="KEKKET"]The % fixes most of these things but then again as devils going lower % they also lose the MD and makes them more vulnarable for magic compared to melee. [/quote]
The only way to balance RvR is to split the % .......
x% attack /MA and defense
x% MD
(Hums would need it swapping)[/quote]
you concede rvr needs balancing .. the whole point of my post..and the reason i dont attend. Oh , and im busy crafting.. But hey , _jr_ dont let that change ur sarcastic tone
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#29 2017/03/31 05:31:44 |
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"LUPISCUS""_JR_""LUPISCUS"ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge Lupi, that's why _JR_ don't talk that much about crafting, so as you haven't got same knowledge from both sides Devil/Human, should respect people who seen cons and pros of both sides. Constant winge about staff that you're not that much involve into it make people want to be sarcastic towards you, sorry mate. Craft less, make devil char to level 80 + go 1v1 tong and see if you're right, make a proof behind your words. i was yesterday with my 92 archer on SS, and 5 of us couldnt even drop tongskie, 5 70-92 lvl devils, so i don't really know where did you get from your three shooting thing? Regards.
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[quote="DONKA"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="_JR_"][quote="LUPISCUS"]ok... fill me in with ur superior knowledge [/quote]
Why should i explain your ineptness, when you cant be bothered to attend any RvR event
[quote="KEKKET"]The % fixes most of these things but then again as devils going lower % they also lose the MD and makes them more vulnarable for magic compared to melee. [/quote]
The only way to balance RvR is to split the % .......
x% attack /MA and defense
x% MD
(Hums would need it swapping)[/quote]
you concede rvr needs balancing .. the whole point of my post..and the reason i dont attend. Oh , and im busy crafting.. But hey , _jr_ dont let that change ur sarcastic tone
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Lupi, that's why _JR_ don't talk that much about crafting, so as you haven't got same knowledge from both sides Devil/Human, should respect people who seen cons and pros of both sides.
Constant winge about staff that you're not that much involve into it make people want to be sarcastic towards you, sorry mate.
Craft less, make devil char to level 80 + go 1v1 tong and see if you're right, make a proof behind your words.
i was yesterday with my 92 archer on SS, and 5 of us couldnt even drop tongskie, 5 70-92 lvl devils, so i don't really know where did you get from your three shooting thing?
Regards.[/quote]
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