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[quote="ONAGA"]Well you did more than 1 dmg to me man... so it appears you're agreeing with something which is incorrect ;o[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ONAGA"]Well you did more than 1 dmg to me man... so it appears you're agreeing with something which is incorrect ;o[/quote] Out of curiosity, what is your defence in full equip? (I can work it out, but be quicker to just ask).[/quote]

[quote="ONAGA"]Doing int at the moment (sigh) so not 100% sure but its around 112-128 or something.[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ONAGA"]Doing int at the moment (sigh) so not 100% sure but its around 112-128 or something.[/quote] Average that out to 120, let's take a devil with 350 attack (You'd need a level 80+ devil with an intense weapon to have 350 MAX attack) throw them on Conti (*0.4) and you're looking at 140attack. So if this level80+ devil with an intense weapon hits Onaga with full equip and hits his max attack on every single attempt, assuming Onaga has 400hp would need 20 hits to kill you. Now, as a devil's attack at that level range varies so enormously, you're looking at taking between 1~5 damage way more often than taking 20. There are only 2 of the aforementioned hypothetical devils in game. Remember, the figure I gave to you is 350 MAX attack with an intense weapon of a devil well into their 80's. To balance the game on these devils would be the same as balancing wotw's around humans all being the same as Style/Leo.[/quote]

[quote="ONAGA"]Well i was definitely losing around 50-70 of my health with each arrow, but as you can probably tell the damage isn't really what i have an issue with, if anything a devil his level should be doing a bit more damage to a lvl 55+, not enough to completely slaughter me but more than he did. It's the insanely high dex which is the problem for me... it just renders me completely unable to attack back in any way at all, hell i know i won't and shouldn't be able to kill him but i'd like more options than just simply "run away" until he gets bored. Running around aimlessly gets boring :([/quote]

[quote="REDVEX"]If it helps, with an average of 250 atk, i was doing about 50 dmg to a naked human that had 55 str in conti.[/quote]

[quote="ONAGA"]What is all this Dsoma propaganda lol?! My health bar was going down a lot quicker than someone taking 5 dmg... I had to use +50 pots every couple of seconds, slayer would have witnessed that himself so unless his bow is A+++ speed i don't see how i could have been taking such little damage :s[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="ONAGA"]What is all this Dsoma propaganda lol?! My health bar was going down a lot quicker than someone taking 5 dmg... I had to use +50 pots every couple of seconds, slayer would have witnessed that himself so unless his bow is A+++ speed i don't see how i could have been taking such little damage :s[/quote] With a 4th aura hit (+35dmg), yes, I can believe he hit you for 50damage. With a normal arrow strike, no chance in hell. This isn't "devil propaganda" If you see something wrong with the math (I do occasionally make mistakes) then point it out. Simply saying "NO! I was dying in Xnumber of hits" doesn't wash.[/quote]

[quote="REDVEX"]Is Matk on conti fudged? Surely a human with 125 MAtk should have done more than 1 damage against a devil on 40%. [/quote]

[quote="ONAGA"]He 4thed me just once the whole time he was attacking, so the damage i was taking was from normal hits. I remember how often i was having to pot, if he was doing 5 damage a hit then i would only be needing to use 1 +50 pot every like 10-15 seconds lol. I got no reason to lie i've never gone to wotw... devils vs humans isn't something i really care about. Whether or not he was doing 5 dmg or 50 dmg, i think we can both agree that neither is enough dmg for someone of my level to be taking from a lvl what, 80+ dev? N i was only messin with the "devil propaganda" remark lol.[/quote]

[quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="ONAGA"] Whether or not he was doing 5 dmg or 50 dmg, i think we can both agree that neither is enough dmg for someone of my level to be taking from a lvl what, 80+ dev? .[/quote] so you dont mind the dmg yet you do mind being outdexed by some close to 30+ lvls above you? [/quote]

[quote="ONAGA"]Humans the same level are massively out-dexed as well... and yes the constant interrupts and being unable to land a melee hit are exactly what i mind. increase dmg but reduce dex of devils attacking conti[/quote]

[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="ONAGA"]Humans the same level are massively out-dexed as well... and yes the constant interrupts and being unable to land a melee hit are exactly what i mind. [/quote] definitely this. Had a little scuffle with 187 this eve whilst he was chasing yoshi. Whilst my db's and 4th knux did damage, unless I precast or am fortunate enough to get close to 4th I wouldn't kill him at all. similarly, he would never kill me until I ran out of pots - 4th did between 1/4-1/5 iirc, normal hits probs 20-30. if I stand toe-to-toe he never misses once = no casts at all. I go in for melee, never land a hit except 4th. tbh it says to me everything is balanced except for dex. I don't want to be able to -easily- kill a raiding solo dev, but against an archer the only chance is magic as staying in melee range nigh-on impossible - and until such a time there's a random element of "I could get 3-4 casts off in a row" compared with "inter-inter-inter-inter-interrupt" there is imo no point in chasing, only putting up mild resistance to deter hunting interruption. and tbh it shows just how complacent some devs are to raid solo - and get 5 kills I might add - whereas a solo human stands no-chance of similar happening.[/quote]

[quote="ILOVECAWK"]its always the same argument every low lvl human wants to 1 v1 a devil its what fucked up wotw % its not enough we dont do dmg. whats gonna go after dex maybe our hp is to high and we take to long to die? so maybe hp could be adjusted to conti % [/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="GREATERIX"]and tbh it shows just how complacent some devs are to raid solo - and get 5 kills I might add - whereas a solo human stands no-chance of similar happening.[/quote] All of the kills were on naked humans (and one dude in scaled armour up at raps). Armory them. Idiots hunting on Conti with no armour and no pots are just that, idiots. Do I mean to offend? No. But you have to be two kinds of stupid to hunt naked on a contested map. All the humans at Bone Golems grant the same pos as a level 16 guy running around in Castle map, so a kill's a kill. Play naked on conti, prepare to die. I do the same, I scour Raps and Mujarin before making my way to Wraith/Bone golem.[/quote]