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TOLIC |
I tend to ignore a devil if I see one raiding as it is just a waste of time as either one of us would kill each other unless we had no pots
devils having a 98% hit chance on me makes me not even try to retaliate. cant cast magic / cast hit them with melee. atm devils raiding conti is an annoyance more than a threat except mages as they hurt quite a lot. absolutely no point in a human raiding conti when devils own it. only in a group of 3/4 would have any chance of a kill
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[quote="TOLIC"]I tend to ignore a devil if I see one raiding as it is just a waste of time as either one of us would kill each other unless we had no pots
devils having a 98% hit chance on me makes me not even try to retaliate.
cant cast magic / cast hit them with melee.
atm devils raiding conti is an annoyance more than a threat
except mages as they hurt quite a lot.
absolutely no point in a human raiding conti when devils own it.
only in a group of 3/4 would have any chance of a kill [/quote]
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#46 2013/12/15 02:27:18 |
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S0RCERER |
"TOLIC"only in a group of 3/4 would have any chance of a kill It's the same for devils, no chance of getting kills solo. (Unless as stated before, you're going for the naked geniuses at wraith) |
#47 2013/12/15 02:28:48 |
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CARNAGE |
Once again archers just have an easier time raiding solo aswell, would be different for someone like me trying to get kills solo unless the person didn't see me coming lol.
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#48 2013/12/15 02:33:54 |
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"TOLIC"I tend to ignore a devil if I see one raiding as it is just a waste of time as either one of us would kill each other unless we had no pots Think that sums it up perfectly. I Had bomboklat attacking me/malefic/pikutin and others on separate occasions. He did absolutely minimal damage to us, but had such insane accuracy from his unmodified dex, that it was impossible to outheal because you could never cast ( roughly getting 1-15casts off with 75 dex ). He just stood attacking us for about 40minutes, wasting our pots gradually while we were unable to do anything to shift him. Eventually me and others had to just SPAM him with pre-casted slows until he ran out of white serums and left(probably from boredom). Its a pretty sad day when that's the most effective way of making a devil tp in human cont; especially when you outnumber him 3-4 to 1. Pikutin is one of the top tier human str users, and still couldn't do shit to him with his apus. I would be happy for devils to do significantly more dmg to me/others on cont, if it meant there was some compensation for humans that allows us to hit them back with weapons(or have some hope of casting). The current dynamic doesn't seem particularly beneficial to anyone other than pos hunting archers picking off naked people at wraiths.
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[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="TOLIC"]I tend to ignore a devil if I see one raiding as it is just a waste of time as either one of us would kill each other unless we had no pots
devils having a 98% hit chance on me makes me not even try to retaliate.
cant cast magic / cast hit them with melee.
atm devils raiding conti is an annoyance more than a threat
except mages as they hurt quite a lot.
absolutely no point in a human raiding conti when devils own it.
only in a group of 3/4 would have any chance of a kill [/quote]
Think that sums it up perfectly.
I Had bomboklat attacking me/malefic/pikutin and others on separate occasions. He did absolutely minimal damage to us, but had such insane accuracy from his unmodified dex, that it was impossible to outheal because you could never cast ( roughly getting 1-15casts off with 75 dex ).
He just stood attacking us for about 40minutes, wasting our pots gradually while we were unable to do anything to shift him. Eventually me and others had to just SPAM him with pre-casted slows until he ran out of white serums and left(probably from boredom).
Its a pretty sad day when that's the most effective way of making a devil tp in human cont; especially when you outnumber him 3-4 to 1. Pikutin is one of the top tier human str users, and still couldn't do shit to him with his apus.
I would be happy for devils to do significantly more dmg to me/others on cont, if it meant there was some compensation for humans that allows us to hit them back with weapons(or have some hope of casting).
The current dynamic doesn't seem particularly beneficial to anyone other than pos hunting archers picking off naked people at wraiths.
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#49 2013/12/15 05:36:11 |
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NEOXIAN |
I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight.
This makes me literally want to quit now because this human attitude is pathetic. Make our Dex lower on conti but I want raising % back to 60%.... Then again if you're complaining about using pots when you're taking 35 dmg I can't fathom how you would react to taking the damage we do. Just to confirm I'm level 67 and from zyzz who is 76ish and Fuji who is 76ish they hit me for 60% of my health with a weakened dragon breath. Know how much damage I do to zyzz? 20-50. I'm being hit for 250 in full Diabolist and 80 int (real numbers not human made up figures) and I can retaliate for just 20 normal or 50 with a 4th every 30 seconds. Humans still believe taking 50 damage is overpowered because if slayer and carn vex and 187 and alucard all hit and do 60-100 dmg each (carn a bit more) then people die. Watch the videos from wotw humans don't even take +100s they take bread and outheal us. Take me at wotw I can run into a group of 5 humans and be dead in a second, taking HUGE hits of 150 minimum weakened which is nearly always due to noobs that don't die spamming weaken for Fuji and zyzz. The game is broken because devils take everything to war, Fuji takes minimal damage but still hides in safe zone until he has his weaken spamming crew in place. Until humans actually want to have a good fight where they are close to death regularly and pot like crazy spending 500k a war like we do then nothing can balance it. I for one am attending no more wotw until something is done purely because I'm fed up with hitting a level 49 noob in gold for 70 dmg only. But that noob can retaliate and hit me for 160 get a last hit on me and take 280 pos. I used to be nearly 1 hit by most humans with int but we all stayed and went toe to toe humans cower and are very bitter to taking any form of damage, it's pathetic and RVR pvp is dead and worthless.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight.
This makes me literally want to quit now because this human attitude is pathetic. Make our Dex lower on conti but I want raising % back to 60%.... Then again if you're complaining about using pots when you're taking 35 dmg I can't fathom how you would react to taking the damage we do.
Just to confirm I'm level 67 and from zyzz who is 76ish and Fuji who is 76ish they hit me for 60% of my health with a weakened dragon breath. Know how much damage I do to zyzz? 20-50. I'm being hit for 250 in full Diabolist and 80 int (real numbers not human made up figures) and I can retaliate for just 20 normal or 50 with a 4th every 30 seconds.
Humans still believe taking 50 damage is overpowered because if slayer and carn vex and 187 and alucard all hit and do 60-100 dmg each (carn a bit more) then people die.
Watch the videos from wotw humans don't even take +100s they take bread and outheal us.
Take me at wotw I can run into a group of 5 humans and be dead in a second, taking HUGE hits of 150 minimum weakened which is nearly always due to noobs that don't die spamming weaken for Fuji and zyzz.
The game is broken because devils take everything to war, Fuji takes minimal damage but still hides in safe zone until he has his weaken spamming crew in place. Until humans actually want to have a good fight where they are close to death regularly and pot like crazy spending 500k a war like we do then nothing can balance it.
I for one am attending no more wotw until something is done purely because I'm fed up with hitting a level 49 noob in gold for 70 dmg only. But that noob can retaliate and hit me for 160 get a last hit on me and take 280 pos.
I used to be nearly 1 hit by most humans with int but we all stayed and went toe to toe humans cower and are very bitter to taking any form of damage, it's pathetic and RVR pvp is dead and worthless.
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#50 2013/12/15 09:27:00 |
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"NEOXIAN"I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight. For the purpose just to stop this moan see below your hours against humans of same level. struserid hours slevel Neoxian 443 66 HXW 599 66 Horus 596 66 Now let's look at some level 50 humans struserid hours slevel chillz_mk2 562 50 meleneck 542 50 matheson 516 50 Apologies to those who I revealed the level but my point stands. I'm sick of this conversation and any further mention of it will result in suspensions. Final warning.
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[quote="ISYLVER"][quote="NEOXIAN"]I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight.
This makes me literally want to quit now because this human attitude is pathetic. Make our Dex lower on conti but I want raising % back to 60%.... Then again if you're complaining about using pots when you're taking 35 dmg I can't fathom how you would react to taking the damage we do.
Just to confirm I'm level 67 and from zyzz who is 76ish and Fuji who is 76ish they hit me for 60% of my health with a weakened dragon breath. Know how much damage I do to zyzz? 20-50. I'm being hit for 250 in full Diabolist and 80 int (real numbers not human made up figures) and I can retaliate for just 20 normal or 50 with a 4th every 30 seconds.
Humans still believe taking 50 damage is overpowered because if slayer and carn vex and 187 and alucard all hit and do 60-100 dmg each (carn a bit more) then people die.
Watch the videos from wotw humans don't even take +100s they take bread and outheal us.
Take me at wotw I can run into a group of 5 humans and be dead in a second, taking HUGE hits of 150 minimum weakened which is nearly always due to noobs that don't die spamming weaken for Fuji and zyzz.
The game is broken because devils take everything to war, Fuji takes minimal damage but still hides in safe zone until he has his weaken spamming crew in place. Until humans actually want to have a good fight where they are close to death regularly and pot like crazy spending 500k a war like we do then nothing can balance it.
I for one am attending no more wotw until something is done purely because I'm fed up with hitting a level 49 noob in gold for 70 dmg only. But that noob can retaliate and hit me for 160 get a last hit on me and take 280 pos.
I used to be nearly 1 hit by most humans with int but we all stayed and went toe to toe humans cower and are very bitter to taking any form of damage, it's pathetic and RVR pvp is dead and worthless.
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For the purpose just to stop this moan see below your hours against humans of same level.
struserid hours slevel
Neoxian 443 66
HXW 599 66
Horus 596 66
Now let's look at some level 50 humans
struserid hours slevel
chillz_mk2 562 50
meleneck 542 50
matheson 516 50
Apologies to those who I revealed the level but my point stands. I'm sick of this conversation and any further mention of it will result in suspensions.
Final warning.[/quote]
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#51 2013/12/15 10:14:50 |
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That's the first thing I've said on the issue for a long time isylver, as you say things need to be tested before one should complain again and it was more in reference to onaga saying slayer should die to him which even you should admit is ludicrous.
with a quick note to your lvl / hours link as it's entirely out of context:- Not a true reflection of time spent grinding vs level as you yourself know dsoma has no crafting etc to occupy time which would negate MOST of that played time difference. As vex said previously:- shouting about suspending individuals for voicing an opinion isn't good practice and if that should occur then it would be the nail in the coffin for me and another devil down. my enjoyment of soma is currently <= a chore and the reasoning for this is gvw is dead and boring and wotw is a waste of money and time as POS is unachievable for any devil below 75. We all know that you put a lot of time into something you get little to no return out of financially but there is things that need addressing with balance now before it's to late for Race vs Race. I for one would happily donate £20 or more to you to give up an entire day of your weekend and im sure many others would too to see some of these issues rectified. Ghostlord one of your advisors has posted a few pages back with a couple of brilliant ideas as well as a couple of addressable issues.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]That's the first thing I've said on the issue for a long time isylver, as you say things need to be tested before one should complain again and it was more in reference to onaga saying slayer should die to him which even you should admit is ludicrous.
with a quick note to your lvl / hours link as it's entirely out of context:-
Not a true reflection of time spent grinding vs level as you yourself know dsoma has no crafting etc to occupy time which would negate MOST of that played time difference.
As vex said previously:- shouting about suspending individuals for voicing an opinion isn't good practice and if that should occur then it would be the nail in the coffin for me and another devil down. my enjoyment of soma is currently <= a chore and the reasoning for this is gvw is dead and boring and wotw is a waste of money and time as POS is unachievable for any devil below 75.
We all know that you put a lot of time into something you get little to no return out of financially but there is things that need addressing with balance now before it's to late for Race vs Race.
I for one would happily donate £20 or more to you to give up an entire day of your weekend and im sure many others would too to see some of these issues rectified.
Ghostlord one of your advisors has posted a few pages back with a couple of brilliant ideas as well as a couple of addressable issues. [/quote]
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#52 2013/12/15 13:26:12 |
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Using terms such as "pathetic", "dead" are just terms that don't help just anger me. I listen to those with reason and those who don't let emotions drive their incites (s0rc as an example).
If you want to be listened to then: 1) Post in the right forum 2) Write your post with constructive critiscism 3) Don't let emotions drive your post. I'm happy to discuss things when they're brought about in the correct mannerism.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]Using terms such as "pathetic", "dead" are just terms that don't help just anger me. I listen to those with reason and those who don't let emotions drive their incites (s0rc as an example).
If you want to be listened to then:
1) Post in the right forum
2) Write your post with constructive critiscism
3) Don't let emotions drive your post.
I'm happy to discuss things when they're brought about in the correct mannerism.[/quote]
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#53 2013/12/15 14:10:03 |
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NEOXIAN |
I realise that and I apologise.
There is quite a few things in the correct forum and in the correct mannerism that SEEM to fall on deaf ears (most of s0rcs points infact) although you may register them, even be thinking of solutions behind closed doors but don't let us know even an inkling of feedback due to your time constraints WHICH I understand and most do. That's why I suggested a donation, set a target of what your weekend is worth, see if the population can reach that figure and then you spend a full weekend putting pen to paper on a few of the issues.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]I realise that and I apologise.
There is quite a few things in the correct forum and in the correct mannerism that SEEM to fall on deaf ears (most of s0rcs points infact) although you may register them, even be thinking of solutions behind closed doors but don't let us know even an inkling of feedback due to your time constraints WHICH I understand and most do.
That's why I suggested a donation, set a target of what your weekend is worth, see if the population can reach that figure and then you spend a full weekend putting pen to paper on a few of the issues.
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#54 2013/12/15 14:34:41 |
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"ISYLVER""NEOXIAN"I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight. Could we now please see what the chars mentioned crafting skills are? As if they all have 0 in crafting skills then it is valid, if they have srs or high skills in any of them then it is not . Also Devils hardly have any pvp pk action like humans do , It is very much a blessing if you happen to see another devil while you are hunting. Then you have afk standing in towns social stuff which again is far more on human soma. All of these things +crafting add on a lot of hours. Thanks :)
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[quote="CHOMP"][quote="ISYLVER"][quote="NEOXIAN"]I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight.
This makes me literally want to quit now because this human attitude is pathetic. Make our Dex lower on conti but I want raising % back to 60%.... Then again if you're complaining about using pots when you're taking 35 dmg I can't fathom how you would react to taking the damage we do.
Just to confirm I'm level 67 and from zyzz who is 76ish and Fuji who is 76ish they hit me for 60% of my health with a weakened dragon breath. Know how much damage I do to zyzz? 20-50. I'm being hit for 250 in full Diabolist and 80 int (real numbers not human made up figures) and I can retaliate for just 20 normal or 50 with a 4th every 30 seconds.
Humans still believe taking 50 damage is overpowered because if slayer and carn vex and 187 and alucard all hit and do 60-100 dmg each (carn a bit more) then people die.
Watch the videos from wotw humans don't even take +100s they take bread and outheal us.
Take me at wotw I can run into a group of 5 humans and be dead in a second, taking HUGE hits of 150 minimum weakened which is nearly always due to noobs that don't die spamming weaken for Fuji and zyzz.
The game is broken because devils take everything to war, Fuji takes minimal damage but still hides in safe zone until he has his weaken spamming crew in place. Until humans actually want to have a good fight where they are close to death regularly and pot like crazy spending 500k a war like we do then nothing can balance it.
I for one am attending no more wotw until something is done purely because I'm fed up with hitting a level 49 noob in gold for 70 dmg only. But that noob can retaliate and hit me for 160 get a last hit on me and take 280 pos.
I used to be nearly 1 hit by most humans with int but we all stayed and went toe to toe humans cower and are very bitter to taking any form of damage, it's pathetic and RVR pvp is dead and worthless.
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For the purpose just to stop this moan see below your hours against humans of same level.
struserid hours slevel
Neoxian 443 66
HXW 599 66
Horus 596 66
Now let's look at some level 50 humans
struserid hours slevel
chillz_mk2 562 50
meleneck 542 50
matheson 516 50
Apologies to those who I revealed the level but my point stands. I'm sick of this conversation and any further mention of it will result in suspensions.
Final warning.[/quote]
Could we now please see what the chars mentioned crafting skills are?
As if they all have 0 in crafting skills then it is valid, if they have srs or high skills in any of them then it is not .
Also Devils hardly have any pvp pk action like humans do , It is very much a blessing if you happen to see another devil while you are hunting.
Then you have afk standing in towns social stuff which again is far more on human soma.
All of these things +crafting add on a lot of hours.
Thanks :)[/quote]
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#55 2013/12/15 14:56:50 |
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"NEOXIAN"I realise that and I apologise. I'd like to add that iSylver does read a lot if not all that is posted on these forums.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="NEOXIAN"]I realise that and I apologise.
There is quite a few things in the correct forum and in the correct mannerism that SEEM to fall on deaf ears (most of s0rcs points infact) although you may register them, even be thinking of solutions behind closed doors but don't let us know even an inkling of feedback due to your time constraints WHICH I understand and most do.
That's why I suggested a donation, set a target of what your weekend is worth, see if the population can reach that figure and then you spend a full weekend putting pen to paper on a few of the issues.
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I'd like to add that iSylver does read a lot if not all that is posted on these forums.[/quote]
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#56 2013/12/15 15:08:02 |
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"CHOMP""ISYLVER""NEOXIAN"I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight. None of the above characters have substantial craft skill (if any)>
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[quote="ISYLVER"][quote="CHOMP"][quote="ISYLVER"][quote="NEOXIAN"]I gave up reading this thread when I saw Onaga saying he thinks it's unfair that he can't hit a level 85 devil lmfao. This guy is 35 or more levels lower and wants to challenge a 1 on 1 fight.
This makes me literally want to quit now because this human attitude is pathetic. Make our Dex lower on conti but I want raising % back to 60%.... Then again if you're complaining about using pots when you're taking 35 dmg I can't fathom how you would react to taking the damage we do.
Just to confirm I'm level 67 and from zyzz who is 76ish and Fuji who is 76ish they hit me for 60% of my health with a weakened dragon breath. Know how much damage I do to zyzz? 20-50. I'm being hit for 250 in full Diabolist and 80 int (real numbers not human made up figures) and I can retaliate for just 20 normal or 50 with a 4th every 30 seconds.
Humans still believe taking 50 damage is overpowered because if slayer and carn vex and 187 and alucard all hit and do 60-100 dmg each (carn a bit more) then people die.
Watch the videos from wotw humans don't even take +100s they take bread and outheal us.
Take me at wotw I can run into a group of 5 humans and be dead in a second, taking HUGE hits of 150 minimum weakened which is nearly always due to noobs that don't die spamming weaken for Fuji and zyzz.
The game is broken because devils take everything to war, Fuji takes minimal damage but still hides in safe zone until he has his weaken spamming crew in place. Until humans actually want to have a good fight where they are close to death regularly and pot like crazy spending 500k a war like we do then nothing can balance it.
I for one am attending no more wotw until something is done purely because I'm fed up with hitting a level 49 noob in gold for 70 dmg only. But that noob can retaliate and hit me for 160 get a last hit on me and take 280 pos.
I used to be nearly 1 hit by most humans with int but we all stayed and went toe to toe humans cower and are very bitter to taking any form of damage, it's pathetic and RVR pvp is dead and worthless.
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For the purpose just to stop this moan see below your hours against humans of same level.
struserid hours slevel
Neoxian 443 66
HXW 599 66
Horus 596 66
Now let's look at some level 50 humans
struserid hours slevel
chillz_mk2 562 50
meleneck 542 50
matheson 516 50
Apologies to those who I revealed the level but my point stands. I'm sick of this conversation and any further mention of it will result in suspensions.
Final warning.[/quote]
Could we now please see what the chars mentioned crafting skills are?
As if they all have 0 in crafting skills then it is valid, if they have srs or high skills in any of them then it is not .
Also Devils hardly have any pvp pk action like humans do , It is very much a blessing if you happen to see another devil while you are hunting.
Then you have afk standing in towns social stuff which again is far more on human soma.
All of these things +crafting add on a lot of hours.
Thanks :)[/quote]
None of the above characters have substantial craft skill (if any)>
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#57 2013/12/15 15:25:21 |
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I wouldn't be against the toning down of DEX across all DSoma classes IF it was well thought out:
- All DSoma monsters would need to have their DEX reduced to compensate - DSoma classes, in relation to each other, should still have the same differences in DEX - DEX requirements on weapons/armors would need to be reduced Honestly, I think that is too much work for what it's worth. An easier solution would be to make HSoma Acc/Eva upgrades more accessible (although I know nothing about that). Also, I'm level 64 at 310 hours. Knux OP ;)
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]I wouldn't be against the toning down of DEX across all DSoma classes IF it was well thought out:
- All DSoma monsters would need to have their DEX reduced to compensate
- DSoma classes, in relation to each other, should still have the same differences in DEX
- DEX requirements on weapons/armors would need to be reduced
Honestly, I think that is too much work for what it's worth. An easier solution would be to make HSoma Acc/Eva upgrades more accessible (although I know nothing about that).
Also, I'm level 64 at 310 hours. Knux OP ;)[/quote]
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#58 2013/12/15 15:31:54 |
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"JARAGOONDOO"I wouldn't be against the toning down of DEX across all DSoma classes IF it was well thought out: I agree with this, it'd be too much work and there are better ways.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JARAGOONDOO"]I wouldn't be against the toning down of DEX across all DSoma classes IF it was well thought out:
- All DSoma monsters would need to have their DEX reduced to compensate
- DSoma classes, in relation to each other, should still have the same differences in DEX
- DEX requirements on weapons/armors would need to be reduced
Honestly, I think that is too much work for what it's worth. An easier solution would be to make HSoma Acc/Eva upgrades more accessible (although I know nothing about that).
Also, I'm level 64 at 310 hours. Knux OP ;)[/quote]
I agree with this, it'd be too much work and there are better ways.[/quote]
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#59 2013/12/15 15:33:45 |
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Onaga I like your attitude I attack with around 150 if im lucky on human conti, but the minimum is around 100 So id say 25 damage a shot?
Presume your defence is around the same as nitrostealth's was a few weeks back and it took 12hits and a 4th to kill him afk soo.... just under 400damage seems right... I shouldnt be able to kill anyone really, but there is a nack to it, notice 90% of kills are by old school soma players ;p
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[quote="SLAYER"]Onaga I like your attitude I attack with around 150 if im lucky on human conti, but the minimum is around 100 So id say 25 damage a shot?
Presume your defence is around the same as nitrostealth's was a few weeks back and it took 12hits and a 4th to kill him afk soo.... just under 400damage seems right...
I shouldnt be able to kill anyone really, but there is a nack to it, notice 90% of kills are by old school soma players ;p[/quote]
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