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TRICEPTIMOUS |
"GHOSTLORD""TRICEPTIMOUS""IPHIOS"however their dex does not seem affected by the reduction. Surely thats the solution then? Have dex reduced according to %? Or is that not intended/ would open a whole new can of worms?
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[quote="TRICEPTIMOUS"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="TRICEPTIMOUS"][quote="IPHIOS"]however their dex does not seem affected by the reduction.[/quote]
Possibly related to a thread in bug section about magic not being worked out correctly with %.
http://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=1495&title=Magic+%25+on+Conti+RvR+bugged%3F&Page=1
Maybe the same is happening with dex? [/quote]
I'm afraid not, dex was never effected by the RvR %, it only effects stats in your inventory screen.[/quote]
Surely thats the solution then? Have dex reduced according to %? Or is that not intended/ would open a whole new can of worms? [/quote]
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#76 2013/12/16 10:34:01 |
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The new can of worms would be that if you reduced all of Dsoma dex because of Archers, none of the other classes bar Knux would ever hit.
The difference in Dex among classes in Dsoma is massive. |
#77 2013/12/16 14:11:45 |
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"IPHIOS""ILOVECAWK""IPHIOS"As far as I am concerned there is no devil currently ingame who should have the ability at 40% to prevent a lvl 70+ human on 100% from hunting. my point exaxcetly. and if you never want to be bothered hunting dont go on a RvR map ? it would be like crying ppl are hitting you at gvw or wotw
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[quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="IPHIOS"][quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="IPHIOS"]As far as I am concerned there is no devil currently ingame who should have the ability at 40% to prevent a lvl 70+ human on 100% from hunting.
It currently happens.[/quote]
no it doesnt unless hed be naked and afk[/quote]
I wasn't afk nor was I naked.
Don't get me wrong there was no danger of death[/quote]
my point exaxcetly. and if you never want to be bothered hunting dont go on a RvR map ? it would be like crying ppl are hitting you at gvw or wotw
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#78 2013/12/16 14:39:02 |
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I'm not saying I don't want to be bothered if you opened your eyes for a bit.
The point I made was that a lvl 70+ human should not be prevented from hunting at 100% by a 40% devil of any current level. You had said that it was not possible unless afk or naked. Your point was irrelevant as it does prevent hunting. I am saying your attack should be increased to at least make it fun for both parts with dex reduced to make it feasible for a kill on either side.
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[quote="IPHIOS"]I'm not saying I don't want to be bothered if you opened your eyes for a bit.
The point I made was that a lvl 70+ human should not be prevented from hunting at 100% by a 40% devil of any current level. You had said that it was not possible unless afk or naked. Your point was irrelevant as it does prevent hunting.
I am saying your attack should be increased to at least make it fun for both parts with dex reduced to make it feasible for a kill on either side.[/quote]
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#79 2013/12/16 14:46:29 |
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ILOVECAWK |
"IPHIOS"I'm not saying I don't want to be bothered if you opened your eyes for a bit. thats exactly what ur saying since you dont want to be hit while hunting. and if 10-20 dmg is "preventing" you from hunting i hope you never get pked |
#80 2013/12/16 15:47:05 |
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"ILOVECAWK""IPHIOS"I'm not saying I don't want to be bothered if you opened your eyes for a bit. Hi let me explain thoroughly if you are not quite understanding what is being said to you. I am categorically not saying what you seem to consistently say that I am... 1) I am pro conti raids with devils on a greater % to allow a fair fight for them as their current damage is too low. 2) 10-20 damage at a 99% hit rate eventually builds up costing in pots. A consistent 10-20 without let up does prevent you from hunting - don't quite understand the complexity there. Have you played soma before? You don't hunt a mob that does 20 damage a hit to you because it is not effective hunting. 3) The dex at its current rate prevents you from casting to attack with magic and obviously with melee. Therefore a lvl 70+ human cannot defend themselves against any reasonable level devil archer despite the percentages. Your pk comment is irrelevant all together as the person pking me wont have 110+ dex and I am pretty confident that I will be able to deal with it.
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="IPHIOS"]I'm not saying I don't want to be bothered if you opened your eyes for a bit.
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thats exactly what ur saying since you dont want to be hit while hunting. and if 10-20 dmg is "preventing" you from hunting i hope you never get pked[/quote]
Hi let me explain thoroughly if you are not quite understanding what is being said to you. I am categorically not saying what you seem to consistently say that I am...
1) I am [b]pro[/b] conti raids with devils on a greater % to allow a fair fight for them as their current damage is too low.
2) 10-20 damage at a 99% hit rate eventually builds up costing in pots. A consistent 10-20 without let up does prevent you from hunting - don't quite understand the complexity there. Have you played soma before? You don't hunt a mob that does 20 damage a hit to you because it is not effective hunting.
3) The dex at its current rate prevents you from casting to attack with magic and obviously with melee. Therefore a lvl 70+ human cannot defend themselves against any reasonable level devil archer despite the percentages.
Your pk comment is irrelevant all together as the person pking me wont have 110+ dex and I am pretty confident that I will be able to deal with it.[/quote]
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#81 2013/12/16 16:28:43 |
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CARNAGE |
"IPHIOS" Not saying you're wrong but people seem to forget that there are five other dsoma classes, not everyone is an archer with the dex and range everyone is complaining about.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="IPHIOS"]
3) The dex at its current rate prevents you from casting to attack with magic and obviously with melee. Therefore a lvl 70+ human cannot defend themselves against any reasonable level devil archer despite the percentages[/quote]
Not saying you're wrong but people seem to forget that there are five other dsoma classes, not everyone is an archer with the dex and range everyone is complaining about.[/quote]
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#82 2013/12/16 16:37:16 |
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NEOXIAN |
Kharil Lizard min dmg is 10 afaik. When I started hunting them they did 35 dmg a hit
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#83 2013/12/16 16:37:53 |
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"NEOXIAN"Kharil Lizard min dmg is 10 afaik. When I started hunting them they did 35 dmg a hit And did they hit 99% of the time? |
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"CARNAGE" What kind of difference are we talking here? genuine question tbh - never seen a high end dev's stats. All I'm aware of is the top human archer hasn't even reached 100 afaik, I know of a couple at 80+, I myself sit at 71 at lvl61. I've heard talk of dev mages with 90+ dex etc - perhaps we could get some definitive numbers to save speculation? Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="CARNAGE"]
Not saying you're wrong but people seem to forget that there are five other dsoma classes, not everyone is an archer with the dex and range everyone is complaining about.[/quote]
What kind of difference are we talking here?
genuine question tbh - never seen a high end dev's stats.
All I'm aware of is the top human archer hasn't even reached 100 afaik, I know of a couple at 80+, I myself sit at 71 at lvl61.
I've heard talk of dev mages with 90+ dex etc - perhaps we could get some definitive numbers to save speculation?
Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.[/quote]
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#85 2013/12/16 16:50:04 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"NEOXIAN"Kharil Lizard min dmg is 10 afaik. When I started hunting them they did 35 dmg a hit Since he was talking from a hsoma point of view it doesn't matter. I bet some humans don't even do pot hunts but heal when they need. :P |
#86 2013/12/16 17:00:15 |
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IPHIOS |
"CARNAGE""IPHIOS" I appreciate that and not saying a carpet dex reduction is the solution but there's something not quite right as it stands. - I don't know enough about dsoma to suggest anything other than that though ;o "NEOXIAN"Kharil Lizard min dmg is 10 afaik. When I started hunting them they did 35 dmg a hit They don't hit you 99% of the time and I am pretty sure these had to have bar drops upped in order to make hunting them viable for pot costs. (not saying it is as I have no clue. Just saying that it is not the normal soma process to hunt mobs that hurt so much)
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="IPHIOS"]
3) The dex at its current rate prevents you from casting to attack with magic and obviously with melee. Therefore a lvl 70+ human cannot defend themselves against any reasonable level devil archer despite the percentages[/quote]
Not saying you're wrong but people seem to forget that there are five other dsoma classes, not everyone is an archer with the dex and range everyone is complaining about.[/quote]
I appreciate that and not saying a carpet dex reduction is the solution but there's something not quite right as it stands. - I don't know enough about dsoma to suggest anything other than that though ;o
[quote="NEOXIAN"]Kharil Lizard min dmg is 10 afaik. When I started hunting them they did 35 dmg a hit [/quote]
They don't hit you 99% of the time and I am pretty sure these had to have bar drops upped in order to make hunting them viable for pot costs. (not saying it is as I have no clue. Just saying that it is not the normal soma process to hunt mobs that hurt so much)[/quote]
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#87 2013/12/16 17:03:15 |
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"GREATERIX" I thought Humans have the ability to upgrade equipment with accuracy and evasion? Is this no longer craftable? It seems my memory remembers eva/acc used to be craftable to high percentage.
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[quote="I0_0I"][quote="GREATERIX"]
Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.[/quote]
I thought Humans have the ability to upgrade equipment with accuracy and evasion? Is this no longer craftable? It seems my memory remembers eva/acc used to be craftable to high percentage.[/quote]
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#88 2013/12/16 17:03:21 |
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CARNAGE |
"GREATERIX" Well I can only relate to myself and being sword which is like the middle class and doesn't specialize in a specific stat but I've known archers to have the same dex as me like 10 levels lower lol.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="GREATERIX"]
What kind of difference are we talking here?
genuine question tbh - never seen a high end dev's stats.[/quote]
Well I can only relate to myself and being sword which is like the middle class and doesn't specialize in a specific stat but I've known archers to have the same dex as me like 10 levels lower lol.
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#89 2013/12/16 17:04:38 |
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"I0_0I""GREATERIX" The skills and costs associated with this and with the nerfs makes it not a viable option. There is no evasion you could make that would combat the dex of devil archers and imo nor should there be. My comments relate to conti (40%) maps not wotw etc.
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="I0_0I"][quote="GREATERIX"]
Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.[/quote]
I thought Humans have the ability to upgrade equipment with accuracy and evasion? Is this no longer craftable? It seems my memory remembers eva/acc used to be craftable to high percentage.[/quote]
The skills and costs associated with this and with the nerfs makes it not a viable option.
There is no evasion you could make that would combat the dex of devil archers and imo nor should there be. My comments relate to conti (40%) maps not wotw etc.[/quote]
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#90 2013/12/16 17:05:43 |
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