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"IPHIOS""I0_0I""GREATERIX" I agree that Dex not being reduced as part of a % penalty must be an oversight that will be addressed. The truth is we (devils) did it to ourselves. I think it's something that makes us want to stand on stones. Once this is resolved BY the GMs, I'd expect that conti will be a safe place for a few weeks. An Archer with 135 dex and 109 str 112 con max att say 260 max wiz 75 On conti; (40%) 135 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz Can annoy humans on conti even solo @ about 10-30 dmg @ 80%~90%? On Conti Fixed (40%) 54 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz Devils would need to not take stones for a good period before raiding would be possible. I am not saying right/wrong it just is what it is...
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[quote="I0_0I"][quote="IPHIOS"][quote="I0_0I"][quote="GREATERIX"]
Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.[/quote]
I thought Humans have the ability to upgrade equipment with accuracy and evasion? Is this no longer craftable? It seems my memory remembers eva/acc used to be craftable to high percentage.[/quote]
The skills and costs associated with this and with the nerfs makes it not a viable option.
There is no evasion you could make that would combat the dex of devil archers and imo nor should there be. My comments relate to conti (40%) maps not wotw etc.[/quote]
I agree that Dex not being reduced as part of a % penalty must be an oversight that will be addressed.
The truth is we (devils) did it to ourselves. I think it's something that makes us want to stand on stones.
Once this is resolved BY the GMs, I'd expect that conti will be a safe place for a few weeks.
An Archer with 135 dex and 109 str 112 con max att say 260 max wiz 75
On conti;
(40%) 135 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz
Can annoy humans on conti even solo @ about 10-30 dmg @ 80%~90%?
On Conti Fixed
(40%) 54 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz
Devils would need to not take stones for a good period before raiding would be possible.
I am not saying right/wrong it just is what it is...[/quote]
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#91 2013/12/16 17:37:20 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"I0_0I""IPHIOS""I0_0I""GREATERIX" I'm just a low level noob, but all humans will probably agree with me here when I say that if all stats (Apart from HP/MP) should be scaled for both races when on raiding conti, but the % should also be upped for devils raiding on humans and again for humans raiding on devil conti. If this is done then it'd be alot more enjoyable for both races, rather than at the minute where devils can only kill low level noobs or just annoy people. Humans on the other hand daren't step food on devils conti or we'd be anally raped as it stands.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="I0_0I"][quote="IPHIOS"][quote="I0_0I"][quote="GREATERIX"]
Any dex reduction on dSoma would require a similar reduction across classes + mobs scaled also, so probs be easier to increase accuracy/eva on hSoma side again.[/quote]
I thought Humans have the ability to upgrade equipment with accuracy and evasion? Is this no longer craftable? It seems my memory remembers eva/acc used to be craftable to high percentage.[/quote]
The skills and costs associated with this and with the nerfs makes it not a viable option.
There is no evasion you could make that would combat the dex of devil archers and imo nor should there be. My comments relate to conti (40%) maps not wotw etc.[/quote]
I agree that Dex not being reduced as part of a % penalty must be an oversight that will be addressed.
The truth is we (devils) did it to ourselves. I think it's something that makes us want to stand on stones.
Once this is resolved BY the GMs, I'd expect that conti will be a safe place for a few weeks.
An Archer with 135 dex and 109 str 112 con max att say 260 max wiz 75
On conti;
(40%) 135 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz
Can annoy humans on conti even solo @ about 10-30 dmg @ 80%~90%?
On Conti Fixed
(40%) 54 dex, 43.6 str, 44.8 con, 104 att, 30 wiz
Devils would need to not take stones for a good period before raiding would be possible.
I am not saying right/wrong it just is what it is...[/quote]
I'm just a low level noob, but all humans will probably agree with me here when I say that if all stats (Apart from HP/MP) should be scaled for both races when on raiding conti, but the % should also be upped for devils raiding on humans and again for humans raiding on devil conti. If this is done then it'd be alot more enjoyable for both races, rather than at the minute where devils can only kill low level noobs or just annoy people. Humans on the other hand daren't step food on devils conti or we'd be anally raped as it stands.[/quote]
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#92 2013/12/16 17:50:40 |
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S0RCERER |
Eva and Accuracy could be considerably buffed if it had the %(%).
Like tempered metal or displacer. This way, no devil could ever get 100% hit rate on you despite their dex. Same goes for accuracy. 20%(5%) as an example. Additionally you'd never get 100% eva on players or monsters. Seems far more reasonable than the massive nerf to Eva/Accu in it's current state.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]Eva and Accuracy could be considerably buffed if it had the %(%).
Like tempered metal or displacer.
This way, no devil could ever get 100% hit rate on you despite their dex. Same goes for accuracy.
20%(5%) as an example.
Additionally you'd never get 100% eva on players or monsters.
Seems far more reasonable than the massive nerf to Eva/Accu in it's current state.[/quote]
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#93 2013/12/16 17:54:37 |
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BASIL |
If say you have 4 items 5%(5%)
Is that 20% Eva 20% of the time?? Or Is that 20% Eva 5% of the time? |
#94 2013/12/16 19:29:52 |
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"BASIL"If say you have 4 items 5%(5%) As far as I know, the bracketed figure works independently per item. 20%(5%) + 20%(5%) = 40%(5%). Otherwise Tempered Plate set would be far too strong. 10%(10%). 4 parts 40%(40%).
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="BASIL"]If say you have 4 items 5%(5%)
Is that 20% Eva 20% of the time??
Or
Is that 20% Eva 5% of the time?[/quote]
As far as I know, the bracketed figure works independently per item.
20%(5%) + 20%(5%) = 40%(5%).
Otherwise Tempered Plate set would be far too strong.
10%(10%).
4 parts
40%(40%).[/quote]
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#95 2013/12/16 19:49:39 |
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HEARTSAUCE |
This thread makes me laugh...and laugh so hard.
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#96 2013/12/16 20:54:45 |
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"HEARTSAUCE"This thread makes me laugh...and laugh so hard. Your posts keep on getting better and better. |
#97 2013/12/16 21:10:47 |
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As Iphos says, it isn't just the constant damage - getting hit every shot for 2-3% - it's also the fact that if you try and make the devil (yes, usually an archer) leave you alone you cant get a single cast off, and when you try melee they have 30-40-50 more DEX than you so you can never ever kill them or scare them.
I don't see it as the biggest problem is soma - and as Carnage says it only applies to archers - but the end situation is a level 60 Devil on 40% can stop any level 60-80 human hunting on 100% by annoying them (fair enough, and they will never kill them) and yet can't possibly be killed in return. It's the second part that I object to.
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[quote="BELKA"]As Iphos says, it isn't just the constant damage - getting hit every shot for 2-3% - it's also the fact that if you try and make the devil (yes, usually an archer) leave you alone you cant get a single cast off, and when you try melee they have 30-40-50 more DEX than you so you can never ever kill them or scare them.
I don't see it as the biggest problem is soma - and as Carnage says it only applies to archers - but the end situation is a level 60 Devil on 40% can stop any level 60-80 human hunting on 100% by annoying them (fair enough, and they will never kill them) and [b]yet can't possibly be killed in return[/b].
It's the second part that I object to.[/quote]
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#98 2013/12/18 19:47:03 |
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ILOVECAWK |
or omg big shocker get 1 extra person you know like a guild memeber a random person hunting there, fuck any1 really. just thinking outside of the box here
"BELKA" (fair enough, and they will never kill them) and yet can't possibly be killed in return. seems balanced to me then. and whos this imaginairy lvl 60 archer that stops lvl 80's from hunting i might add?
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[quote="ILOVECAWK"]or omg big shocker get 1 extra person you know like a guild memeber a random person hunting there, fuck any1 really. just thinking outside of the box here
[quote="BELKA"] (fair enough, and they will never kill them) and [b]yet can't possibly be killed in return[/b].[/quote]
seems balanced to me then. and whos this imaginairy lvl 60 archer that stops lvl 80's from hunting i might add?[/quote]
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#99 2013/12/19 04:41:00 |
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Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from any devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.
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[quote="IPHIOS"]Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from [b]any[/b] devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.[/quote]
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#100 2013/12/19 08:40:10 |
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"IPHIOS"Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from any devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%? 90% of the humans choose the int path and decided to be dexless noobs,why devs should get punished because of this?
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[quote="MANTICORE"][quote="IPHIOS"]Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from [b]any[/b] devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.[/quote]
90% of the humans choose the int path and decided to be dexless noobs,why devs should get punished because of this?[/quote]
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#101 2013/12/19 09:03:30 |
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"MANTICORE""IPHIOS"Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from any devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%? pmsl, dexless? seriously, engage brain before spouting of crap. it doesn't matter what dex a human has - even the highest human wont have dex anywhere near a devil. I've asked for hard numbers - actual data we can use to illustrate the unbalance instead we have 2 thick-as-shit forum trolls acting like 2 year olds. Time for the devils to put up or shut up tbh.
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[quote="GREATERIX"][quote="MANTICORE"][quote="IPHIOS"]Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from [b]any[/b] devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.[/quote]
90% of the humans choose the int path and decided to be dexless noobs,why devs should get punished because of this?[/quote]
pmsl, dexless?
seriously, engage brain before spouting of crap.
it doesn't matter what dex a human has - even the highest human wont have dex anywhere near a devil.
I've asked for hard numbers - actual data we can use to illustrate the unbalance
instead we have 2 thick-as-shit forum trolls acting like 2 year olds.
Time for the devils to put up or shut up tbh.[/quote]
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#102 2013/12/19 09:15:28 |
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No need to put up or shut up greater. I think the fact top end humans being able to take 40% of
My hp weakened while on 50% is a serious issue /discuss. Think the above is a problem? No I don't because it is CONTINENTAL rvr for pvp, if you don't like it fuck off to palus you dim retards. Dex won't change nor will humans insatiable desire to ruin devil pvp.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]No need to put up or shut up greater. I think the fact top end humans being able to take 40% of
My hp weakened while on 50% is a serious issue /discuss.
Think the above is a problem? No I don't because it is CONTINENTAL rvr for pvp, if you don't like it fuck off to palus you dim retards.
Dex won't change nor will humans insatiable desire to ruin devil pvp. [/quote]
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#103 2013/12/19 09:21:07 |
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"GREATERIX""MANTICORE""IPHIOS"Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from any devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%? Leos pic on gallery says it all tanking whole dsoma at wotws now thats a proper trained char .......
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[quote="MANTICORE"][quote="GREATERIX"][quote="MANTICORE"][quote="IPHIOS"]Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from [b]any[/b] devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.[/quote]
90% of the humans choose the int path and decided to be dexless noobs,why devs should get punished because of this?[/quote]
pmsl, dexless?
seriously, engage brain before spouting of crap.
it doesn't matter what dex a human has - even the highest human wont have dex anywhere near a devil.
I've asked for hard numbers - actual data we can use to illustrate the unbalance
instead we have 2 thick-as-shit forum trolls acting like 2 year olds.
Time for the devils to put up or shut up tbh.[/quote]
Leos pic on gallery says it all tanking whole dsoma at wotws now thats a proper trained char .......
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#104 2013/12/19 09:44:50 |
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"MANTICORE""IPHIOS"Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from any devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%? Honestly - didn't have you down as an idiot until that post =]
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="MANTICORE"][quote="IPHIOS"]Are you honestly trying to portray a person who does not understand that a lvl 75 human on 100% should be stopped from levelling from [b]any[/b] devil currently in game who is meant to be on 50%?
I struggle to believe you are that thick and therefore can only assume you are trolling.[/quote]
90% of the humans choose the int path and decided to be dexless noobs,why devs should get punished because of this?[/quote]
Honestly - didn't have you down as an idiot until that post =][/quote]
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#105 2013/12/19 09:48:18 |
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