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Str at cap raise
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THE7THSEAL |
if u had 250 str and 100 dex..and u pvpd against a 150+ dex guy.... u wud be lucky to get 1 hit in ..if u did u might kill him in 1 hit..... but with such huge disparity in stats .. it would end up in first to get a hit in would win ..similar fighting a mage with 250 int..... would just be a '' who can get the 1st hit in'' kinda game.. wouldnt make for enjoyable or viable pvp
The huge disparities we see now are down to op gear ..not stat differences. May not seem it at times..but the game is pretty well balanced..if it wasnt we wouldnt be playing it. Some unfair things we see/ experience... but it is pretty fair.
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"]if u had 250 str and 100 dex..and u pvpd against a 150+ dex guy.... u wud be lucky to get 1 hit in ..if u did u might kill him in 1 hit..... but with such huge disparity in stats .. it would end up in first to get a hit in would win ..similar fighting a mage with 250 int..... would just be a '' who can get the 1st hit in'' kinda game.. wouldnt make for enjoyable or viable pvp
The huge disparities we see now are down to op gear ..not stat differences.
May not seem it at times..but the game is pretty well balanced..if it wasnt we wouldnt be playing it.
Some unfair things we see/ experience... but it is pretty fair. [/quote]
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#31 2017/07/18 15:05:42 |
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VEIGAR |
"THE7THSEAL"if u had 250 str and 100 dex..and u pvpd against a 150+ dex guy.... u wud be lucky to get 1 hit in ..if u did u might kill him in 1 hit..... but with such huge disparity in stats .. it would end up in first to get a hit in would win ..similar fighting a mage with 250 int..... would just be a '' who can get the 1st hit in'' kinda game.. wouldnt make for enjoyable or viable pvp It would be impossible to hit those stats at this cap and the next any how, and 150 dex 150 str (archer) and 100 dex 220-240 str (axer) seems like a fair fight to me you only have to look at dsoma to see this is a fair fight. 250 int and str that is not the dex people will be able to get 160+ dex after cap raise i imagine or close.
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[quote="VEIGAR"][quote="THE7THSEAL"]if u had 250 str and 100 dex..and u pvpd against a 150+ dex guy.... u wud be lucky to get 1 hit in ..if u did u might kill him in 1 hit..... but with such huge disparity in stats .. it would end up in first to get a hit in would win ..similar fighting a mage with 250 int..... would just be a '' who can get the 1st hit in'' kinda game.. wouldnt make for enjoyable or viable pvp[/quote]
It would be impossible to hit those stats at this cap and the next any how, and 150 dex 150 str (archer) and 100 dex 220-240 str (axer) seems like a fair fight to me you only have to look at dsoma to see this is a fair fight.
250 int and str that is not the dex people will be able to get 160+ dex after cap raise i imagine or close.[/quote]
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#32 2017/07/18 15:05:54 |
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THE7THSEAL |
im using vague figures to make my point about not having str/ int caps..the caps are there for good reason..
im speaking from a human perspective..cant comment on devs I could be talking a load of balls..wouldnt be the 1st time ;p But i do think caps are a necessity for stats .. I have a mage... if there was no int cap.... like a few other ppl..we might have said to ourselves...'' right .. int all the way '' ended up at lev 100 with 10 dex/ str and 230 int ..would be nice..if u ever got a hit in.... The caps are there to keep some kind of balance and keep characters viable..
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"]im using vague figures to make my point about not having str/ int caps..the caps are there for good reason..
im speaking from a human perspective..cant comment on devs
I could be talking a load of balls..wouldnt be the 1st time ;p
But i do think caps are a necessity for stats ..
I have a mage... if there was no int cap.... like a few other ppl..we might have said to ourselves...'' right .. int all the way '' ended up at lev 100 with 10 dex/ str and 230 int ..would be nice..if u ever got a hit in....
The caps are there to keep some kind of balance and keep characters viable..[/quote]
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#33 2017/07/18 15:07:03 |
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VEIGAR |
"THE7THSEAL"im using vague figures to make my point about not having str/ int caps..the caps are there for good reason I'm sorry i can't agree :/ Players with less dex need more str to combat the high dex chars it's a fact soma was never intended to have a str cap or atleast axers/sword/spear has always been supposedly much stronger in terms of str and lesser in dex. it says it in the classes description ffs ;p #nohardfeelings
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[quote="VEIGAR"][quote="THE7THSEAL"]im using vague figures to make my point about not having str/ int caps..the caps are there for good reason[/quote]
I'm sorry i can't agree :/ Players with less dex need more str to combat the high dex chars it's a fact soma was never intended to have a str cap or atleast axers/sword/spear has always been supposedly much stronger in terms of str and lesser in dex. it says it in the classes description ffs ;p #nohardfeelings[/quote]
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#34 2017/07/18 15:09:51 |
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THE7THSEAL |
hehe no hard feelings.. im retired form this discussion x
( oh 1 last thing to add ..imagine that 250 int guy with 10 dex and 10 str @ gvw ..protected by all his guildmates..staying in the back ground ...(( with bow range nerfed..as suggested)) ..1 hitting every other player on screen ) ....whoah... keep the stat caps ;p Could also be said this makes responsibilty for stats and gameplay more exciting.... but imagine being at ur blg at midnight relaxing with ur cuppa .. thinking..ahh this is the life.... then the 250 int guy creeps out of the darkness and 1 hits you..... nah.. has to be some reasonable balance.. i think
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[quote="THE7THSEAL"]hehe no hard feelings.. im retired form this discussion x
( oh 1 last thing to add ..imagine that 250 int guy with 10 dex and 10 str @ gvw ..protected by all his guildmates..staying in the back ground ...(( with bow range nerfed..as suggested)) ..1 hitting every other player on screen ) ....whoah... keep the stat caps ;p
Could also be said this makes responsibilty for stats and gameplay more exciting.... but imagine being at ur blg at midnight relaxing with ur cuppa .. thinking..ahh this is the life.... then the 250 int guy creeps out of the darkness and 1 hits you.....
nah.. has to be some reasonable balance.. i think[/quote]
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#35 2017/07/18 15:16:29 |
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LEONARDO |
That one person on the stone with 10str 10dex would be one hit by a Str cap char lol.
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#36 2017/07/18 16:20:30 |
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LUPISCUS |
wasn't suggesting he stood on the stone ;p
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#37 2017/07/18 16:27:29 |
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VEIGAR |
"LUPISCUS"wasn't suggesting he stood on the stone ;p You can't protect him against an archer lol He'd be uselss, however if he wanted to cap str at 95 he could gain an extra 10 int or whatever which would make him a dominant mage but poor in pvp with melee chars, atm we're all balanced with abit more of dex and a little less int or abit more int and a little less dex lol
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[quote="VEIGAR"][quote="LUPISCUS"]wasn't suggesting he stood on the stone ;p[/quote]
You can't protect him against an archer lol
He'd be uselss, however if he wanted to cap str at 95 he could gain an extra 10 int or whatever which would make him a dominant mage but poor in pvp with melee chars, atm we're all balanced with abit more of dex and a little less int or abit more int and a little less dex lol
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#38 2017/07/18 16:37:33 |
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LUPISCUS |
* give in*
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#39 2017/07/18 16:43:31 |
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BUFFY |
"WILLEMDAFOE"What if weps were capped at a recoil equaling exactly + 2 speed or 1.5 speed of original weapon? Does that sound better? So D speed bows capped at B exactly. Sword capped at exactly A ( unable to attain a+ ) One of the best things about this game is the upgrade system. To cap as you suggest would take away the pain/thrill of part of the game. We'd have to cap all items including rings/armour etc too? To fully balance this game is NOT possible. If this were to happen, I'd prolly move back to Mir or somewhere else sharpish.
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[quote="BUFFY"][quote="WILLEMDAFOE"]What if weps were capped at a recoil equaling exactly + 2 speed or 1.5 speed of original weapon? Does that sound better? So D speed bows capped at B exactly. Sword capped at exactly A ( unable to attain a+ )[/quote]
One of the best things about this game is the upgrade system. To cap as you suggest would take away the pain/thrill of part of the game.
We'd have to cap all items including rings/armour etc too?
To fully balance this game is NOT possible.
If this were to happen, I'd prolly move back to Mir or somewhere else sharpish.
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#40 2017/07/18 16:52:16 |
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VEIGAR |
 http://i67.tinypic.com/2vv704z.png Need i say more? Rip sword,knuck, spear for lvling purposes.... "Hi everyone welcome to The myth of soma now use bow and don't stop untill you have high dex.... now use axe" "What about sword?" "No you mustn't use sword you'll lose out on stats and get pummeled by archers"
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[quote="VEIGAR"][IMG]http://i67.tinypic.com/2vv704z.png[/IMG]
http://i67.tinypic.com/2vv704z.png
Need i say more? Rip sword,knuck, spear for lvling purposes....
"Hi everyone welcome to The myth of soma now use bow and don't stop untill you have high dex.... now use axe"
"What about sword?"
"No you mustn't use sword you'll lose out on stats and get pummeled by archers"[/quote]
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#41 2017/07/18 17:17:31 |
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LUPISCUS |
All this is demonstrating is that getting dex is easier and faster by using bow.
You can get good dex with nuk and more str too. As bow is a dex weapon. it would be strange if wasnt the best wep to get dex. What dex u stop at is your choice..... u can do it with bow/sword or nuk .. just its qwikker doing pure bow as it goes up quickest. Whatever route u chose... lev 100 .. atm.. is when u cap ur stats and gain no more..but u can always reskill another weapon.... them damn spears and swords can do some big damage .. more than bows.... What u do to get to lev 100 and max stats is a choice that is still fairly flexible... just dont expect to get big dex if u go all out axe.
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[quote="LUPISCUS"]All this is demonstrating is that getting dex is easier and faster by using bow.
You can get good dex with nuk and more str too.
As bow is a dex weapon. it would be strange if wasnt the best wep to get dex.
What dex u stop at is your choice..... u can do it with bow/sword or nuk .. just its qwikker doing pure bow as it goes up quickest.
Whatever route u chose... lev 100 .. atm.. is when u cap ur stats and gain no more..but u can always reskill another weapon.... them damn spears and swords can do some big damage .. more than bows....
What u do to get to lev 100 and max stats is a choice that is still fairly flexible... just dont expect to get big dex if u go all out axe.[/quote]
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#42 2017/07/18 17:30:29 |
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VEIGAR |
"LUPISCUS"All this is demonstrating is that getting dex is easier and faster by using bow. You can get good dex with nuk and more str too. As bow is a dex weapon. it would be strange if wasnt the best wep to get dex. What dex u stop at is your choice..... u can do it with bow/sword or nuk .. just its qwikker doing pure bow as it goes up quickest. Whatever route u chose... lev 100 .. atm.. is when u cap ur stats and gain no more..but u can always reskill another weapon.... them damn spears and swords can do some big damage .. more than bows.... What u do to get to lev 100 and max stats is a choice that is still fairly flexible... just dont expect to get big dex if u go all out axe. If i go all out axe are you saying I should in your eyes be restricted in the amount i can do? and in your eyes should i be forced into doing int?
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[quote="VEIGAR"][quote="LUPISCUS"]All this is demonstrating is that getting dex is easier and faster by using bow. You can get good dex with nuk and more str too. As bow is a dex weapon. it would be strange if wasnt the best wep to get dex. What dex u stop at is your choice..... u can do it with bow/sword or nuk .. just its qwikker doing pure bow as it goes up quickest. Whatever route u chose... lev 100 .. atm.. is when u cap ur stats and gain no more..but u can always reskill another weapon.... them damn spears and swords can do some big damage .. more than bows.... What u do to get to lev 100 and max stats is a choice that is still fairly flexible... just dont expect to get big dex if u go all out axe.[/quote]
If i go all out axe are you saying I should in your eyes be restricted in the amount i can do? and in your eyes should i be forced into doing int?[/quote]
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#43 2017/07/18 17:35:14 |
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ACVX |
i say... go with the flow.. Its a 15 year old game here.. u kno how it works.. The gms cant change the basic game mechanics.. there's plenty of flexibility if u want to experiment.
Enjoy whats here and dont expect miracles x |
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VEIGAR |
"ACVX"i say... go with the flow.. Its a 15 year old game here.. u kno how it works.. The gms cant change the basic game mechanics.. there's plenty of flexibility if u want to experiment. Enjoy whats here and dont expect miracles x There was never meant to be a reachable str cap though and in esoma there was no restrictions on int you could gain int after you had capped level are you saying we should all be able to get 177 int after we have capped level also, considering it's a 15 year old game and hey we don't the game mechanics changing.
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[quote="VEIGAR"][quote="ACVX"]i say... go with the flow.. Its a 15 year old game here.. u kno how it works.. The gms cant change the basic game mechanics.. there's plenty of flexibility if u want to experiment. Enjoy whats here and dont expect miracles x[/quote]
There was never meant to be a reachable str cap though and in esoma there was no restrictions on int you could gain int after you had capped level are you saying we should all be able to get 177 int after we have capped level also, considering it's a 15 year old game and hey we don't the game mechanics changing.[/quote]
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#45 2017/07/18 17:39:33 |
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