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[quote="S0RCERER"]Jan 8th - s0rcerer 19:45 Serpent Shield F (untag) Spear of Bloodthirst (untag) Staff of Shadows (rare) Knuckle of Devastation (epic) - F*ck yeah, first epic since I started farming over a month ago! COST: Aprx 20,000 barr (Lazarus healing)[/quote]

[quote="SLAYER"]Everytime a human posts about dsoma a puppy dies.[/quote]

[quote="DESECRATOR"]WTB that knux[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Jan 11th - s0rcerer 23:50 Devil Helm F (hardened) Devil Helm M (untag) Close Helm (untag) Horned Helm (untag) Grim Crossbow (untag) COST: Aprx 20,000 barr (Lazarus healing)[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Please remove Close/Horned helms from his loot table![/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Jan 12th - s0rcerer 13:05 Devil Helm F (untag) Grim Crossbow (rare) Knuckle of Devastation (rare) COST: Aprx 50,000 barr (Lazarus healing)[/quote]

[quote="FUJITORA"]Im going to agree with you and say your situation seems bad, maybe it is the only boss that mages can kill and it does not seem to drop much but atleast you seem to be getting your final set of weapons at a reasonable drop rate even if they are mostly low rags, there seems to be a fair few hardened/rares too and the respawn time is only a couple of hours. But as a devil race on a whole you also have shit loads of other mobs dropping your end game weapons ontop of shiro. Hsoma has a larger population and the ONLY way to get end game weapons (Stinger / Pike / HH ect) is relying on a single boss with a 4 day+ respawn timer. Not to mention often shiro drops a wand. Humans have it worse. ps I like killing puppies, so what.[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"][quote="FUJITORA"]Im going to agree with you and say your situation seems bad.[/quote] Farming a boss every day for end game items doesn't seem a particularly bad situation to me. I've yet to see a single non event Pamoth and unlike devils (who need ONE good weapon); I will require multiple rare+ Pikes for upgrading purposes. The human population is higher, so competition on weapons and bosses is higher, and the boss also has an extremely long spawn cycle, which can easily be interrupted by server restarts. its quite hard to be sympathetic, especially judging by your last few shiri drops. [/quote]

[quote="REHLINA"]That's the difference tho between human and devil, you want rares to upgrade, to us rare are hit and miss, if it's not a high end rare they get npced We have nothing else to aim for than a good tag, all shiros drop lists drop from other mobs, so tends to be ppl have rares in there weap already, what use is a rare weap then when you just spent 50k to 150k to kill[/quote]

[quote="FUJITORA"]You are mistaken, the majority of people dont even have rare pamoth weapons to use let alone upgrade.[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"]For humans, there is ONE way to get the top tier weapons (hence they are often called Pamoth weapons). One boss..... every few days, to supply the ENTIRE server. Lucky there have been plenty of events recently, perhaps to showcase the new skins with a few more weapons on the server; but its still ridiculously hard to get a rare or above in your weapon type. If I had my own boss that I could farm on a daily basis with little to no competition, I would be ecstatic......I really don't see the point in this thread. [/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="GILGAMESH"]For humans, there is ONE way to get the top tier weapons (hence they are often called Pamoth weapons). One boss..... every few days, to supply the ENTIRE server. Lucky there have been plenty of events recently, perhaps to showcase the new skins with a few more weapons on the server; but its still ridiculously hard to get a rare or above in your weapon type. If I had my own boss that I could farm on a daily basis with little to no competition, I would be ecstatic......I really don't see the point in this thread. [/quote] You miss the point. Hsoma Shironim has a unique dropfile, it will be worth the kill - always. Dsoma Shironim is my only source of weapons. If Hsoma Shironim had all of its dropfile on Shanis, Bone Golems and LBs, would you ever bother with it? READ:RHETORICAL Now if you only had one discipline (INT) and you could ONLY get the items you seek from ONE boss that spawns every 6 hours, costs you tens of thousands to kill and 1 in 12 times doesn't even drop an item (let alone tagged) thats of any use to you... Would you want the playing field to be evened? What i'd like: Create a unique dropfile for Shironim that makes it as desirable as the Hsoma one and increase the delay between spawns. - Magic items to upgrade spells (equiv of SP/AT/DB) for poison, weaken, blind, confuse etc. - Higher tier MD robes to make up for the pathetic WIS gains mages get, we innately have less magic defence than humans and our robes are worse too... Logic please? - Higher tier Staff to make it on par with Melee devil weapons - we are both subject to the same % reduction during wotw, magic attack difference between hsoma and dsoma is far smaller than gap in physical attack/defence. (Staff of Shadows is same tier as Sword of Deceit, Malefic bow, Cutthroat Spear, Knuckle of havoc, Axe of Doom etc (99skill)) If the above is done, then the flat % reductions made on Dsoma during wotw/ss would affect everyone equally. It would also make a boss that I only kill because it's the only thing I can kill, into something worth the time. At present, I kill the fat bird just to break the grind of this horrendously slow punch level (which is also far slower than any melee devil's punch level).[/quote]

[quote="GILGAMESH"]My point was that you're effectively getting around 6-7 solo kills of a boss, in the same time it takes for our boss (which is HEAVILY contested, and has to supply weapons to the entire server) to spawn once. Hence the dropfile HAS to be bad, or it would be completely insane. One way of decreasing the likelihood of you getting good weapons every kill, is to fill it with lots of junk. I know it can take the piss to have epic close helms dropped, but that's just how it is. As for the other bosses in dsoma and yout inability to attempt them, I can't comment, but there are plenty in hsoma where 90% of the population hits for 1 dmg but still tries, (garg, shiri event kovlar mobs etc) As for barr, I don't know how valuable that is on dsoma, but pot costs are negligible for humans. 300k sounds a bit excessive though? Those are some nice suggestions at least for mage tweaks[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Yes, but as I said, it'd be much more preferable if the spawn timer was much longer and it had a loot table worth of killing.[/quote]

[quote="S0RCERER"]Jan 12th - s0rcerer 18:48 Devil Helm M (rare) Close Helm (rare) Spear of Bloodthirst (rare) Staff of Shadows (rare) Sword of Darkness (intense) Serpent Shield F (hardened) COST: Aprx 50,000 barr (Lazarus healing) What the utter f*ck happened to Shironim tonight? Never had a haul anything like this! The 1 in a 100 kill or he been altered? Yes, this is all from one kill..................... (That said, everything went to the vendor apart from the devil helm(m) and the sword as the attack on all the other rares were pants)[/quote]