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Decided to venture to conti today with dread and Slither. Outcome being killed 1, made 2 warp and then got one shot. Twice. Grats to whoever got my -m cod! A bagful of earrings and necklaces didn't work!
This is not a moan thread, I do enough of that about devils raiding conti. However, by one shot, I mean hit and 4th. First by Joon second by Bomba. Now I can appreciate these maybe some of higher devils, but Slither is a lot higher than me and the same outcome hit+4th. I don't expect the earth but is 90/100% humans a cheeky but however reasonable suggestion? What are other humans experiences? How about any devils that we hit, there was a non guild guy beginning with M who was grey my int 90+ did min dmg. For all I know he is high. Would be nice to have a cheeky pop at some devils without knowing that you cannot run or even pot a higher level one should they come along. Anyway even though we got smashed and I lost something it brought back good memories, I would love to go again but it's a long run when you have no escape from an 1 shorting archer.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"]Decided to venture to conti today with dread and Slither. Outcome being killed 1, made 2 warp and then got one shot. Twice. Grats to whoever got my -m cod! A bagful of earrings and necklaces didn't work!
This is not a moan thread, I do enough of that about devils raiding conti. However, by one shot, I mean hit and 4th. First by Joon second by Bomba. Now I can appreciate these maybe some of higher devils, but Slither is a lot higher than me and the same outcome hit+4th.
I don't expect the earth but is 90/100% humans a cheeky but however reasonable suggestion?
What are other humans experiences?
How about any devils that we hit, there was a non guild guy beginning with M who was grey my int 90+ did min dmg. For all I know he is high.
Would be nice to have a cheeky pop at some devils without knowing that you cannot run or even pot a higher level one should they come along.
Anyway even though we got smashed and I lost something it brought back good memories, I would love to go again but it's a long run when you have no escape from an 1 shorting archer.[/quote]
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#1 2014/01/19 21:48:50 |
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DR3AD |
was fun, and thanks for the 100k and 100 pos, dude ^^
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#2 2014/01/19 22:13:25 |
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ya 90 int on 50% is only 45 int, , most top devils will have 80 magic def and any decent lvl devil will deal 200 dmg,
and the none guild guy would probly be macho tho id love to see devil conti humans on closer to 100%, tho would surgest moving hopper (swop with DD)
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[quote="REHLINA"]ya 90 int on 50% is only 45 int, , most top devils will have 80 magic def and any decent lvl devil will deal 200 dmg,
and the none guild guy would probly be macho
tho id love to see devil conti humans on closer to 100%, tho would surgest moving hopper (swop with DD)
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#3 2014/01/19 23:30:05 |
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"REHLINA"ya 90 int on 50% is only 45 int, , most top devils will have 80 magic def and any decent lvl devil will deal 200 dmg, Well, with dragonbreath at 90int you're looking at 144 magic attack - halve that. 72 magic attack vs. Macho who has about 60wis, you would be doing 12 damage to him NAKED without weaken. In addition, you each (Slither, Shatter and Dr3ad) attacked individually, not as a group... When we raid conti, we raid as a group of 5~11 and can never land kills 1v1. Raid with a big group and don't dash to Conti AB as your first point of call, check out fireworms, warban/warmess, dread scythes, hoppers and finally check out AB (or kharil liz). If anyone expects to land kills as I do, then you better be raiding devil cont with INT like Plum's... As that's what you'd be comparing me to ^^ Great to see people trying, kudos to you Shatter.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="REHLINA"]ya 90 int on 50% is only 45 int, , most top devils will have 80 magic def and any decent lvl devil will deal 200 dmg,
and the none guild guy would probly be macho
tho id love to see devil conti humans on closer to 100%, tho would surgest moving hopper (swop with DD)
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Well, with dragonbreath at 90int you're looking at 144 magic attack - halve that.
72 magic attack vs. Macho who has about 60wis, you would be doing 12 damage to him NAKED without weaken.
In addition, you each (Slither, Shatter and Dr3ad) attacked individually, not as a group...
When we raid conti, we raid as a group of 5~11 and can never land kills 1v1.
Raid with a big group and don't dash to Conti AB as your first point of call, check out fireworms, warban/warmess, dread scythes, hoppers and finally check out AB (or kharil liz).
If anyone expects to land kills as I do, then you better be raiding devil cont with INT like Plum's... As that's what you'd be comparing me to ^^
Great to see people trying, kudos to you Shatter.[/quote]
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#4 2014/01/20 00:29:26 |
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I only went first time, me and shatter worked together and got 1 kill, missed the second one as was putting my little un to bed! But you are right, need to come mob handed, and on your other comment, hoppers and dead scythe were completely empty lol, so AB it was!
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[quote="DR3AD"]I only went first time, me and shatter worked together and got 1 kill, missed the second one as was putting my little un to bed! But you are right, need to come mob handed, and on your other comment, hoppers and dead scythe were completely empty lol, so AB it was! [/quote]
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#5 2014/01/20 05:17:11 |
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As dread said everything was empty. I was surprised at Sunday 6.15 that a huge map had so little players. We didn't run straight to AB, I am not that stupid the whole point was to have a few cheap shots a lowbies for 30 mins before we knew we would die. AB's was only time we saw anyone.
Now when I stoned, we cast weaken we got a kill fine. Regardless of attacking in a group of 5 of 6, the main point is the amount of survival time. At the present moment there is litte point having a go with the defence side of the %. Macho with str armor I did min, it didn't move, I'll be able to go to conti to prove it, also I have no pos to lose so I would be happy to show the lack of survival. I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee. I don't think it should require people with plums int to touch a lower level melee devil. But that's me. I mean a devil could stop hunting 1 v 1 at BG, however they could not kill me. This would not be the case for me and AB's.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"]As dread said everything was empty. I was surprised at Sunday 6.15 that a huge map had so little players. We didn't run straight to AB, I am not that stupid the whole point was to have a few cheap shots a lowbies for 30 mins before we knew we would die. AB's was only time we saw anyone.
Now when I stoned, we cast weaken we got a kill fine. Regardless of attacking in a group of 5 of 6, the main point is the amount of survival time. At the present moment there is litte point having a go with the defence side of the %.
Macho with str armor I did min, it didn't move, I'll be able to go to conti to prove it, also I have no pos to lose so I would be happy to show the lack of survival.
I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee.
I don't think it should require people with plums int to touch a lower level melee devil. But that's me. I mean a devil could stop hunting 1 v 1 at BG, however they could not kill me. This would not be the case for me and AB's.
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#6 2014/01/20 07:57:40 |
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SHATTERSTAR |
If it has come across properly, I do not want a buff so that people my level can kill devils, just think it needs a higher tweak that it's worthy to have a go. At the moment I don't think I could drum up any support to get a group of 5-6 people at that %.
Either way, we came, we saw, we would love to go again. Just not at the moment.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"]If it has come across properly, I do not want a buff so that people my level can kill devils, just think it needs a higher tweak that it's worthy to have a go. At the moment I don't think I could drum up any support to get a group of 5-6 people at that %.
Either way, we came, we saw, we would love to go again. Just not at the moment.[/quote]
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#7 2014/01/20 08:51:21 |
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"SHATTERSTAR"I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee. Only I (and monster) can outpot people at BG while in weaken vs. people with considerable INT, using full epic/intense Diab. Having tested innumerable times while raiding on Human Conti, PLUM and I have similar INT and the best I can hope to achieve is dealing anywhere between 30~60 damage a hit vs. a naked human with 100int. As prev. mentioned, at 50% your magic attack is sitting at (around) 75, added to the fact Macho is similar level to you, I'd have gone for someone a lot weaker than he. I would recommend that when you use stone, swap to a staff and then start hitting. Goes without saying, bring your hero gear. Ditto to wanting Conti to be open to people with less INT than PLUM, but then it'd have to be for Devils too when we raid - need to bare in mind that the ONLY reason the Axers come with us is to use stone because they wouldn't ever be able to land a kill doing 1~30 damage per swing. The only foreseeable problem is that people may SAY they are open to having % upped, but wouldn't want to live with the consequence. Heck, half the humans who hunt on Conti don't even attend Wotw (which is actually a prime reason we raid).
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee.
I don't think it should require people with plums int to touch a lower level melee devil. But that's me. I mean a devil could stop hunting 1 v 1 at BG, however they could not kill me. This would not be the case for me and AB's[/quote]
Only I (and monster) can outpot people at BG while in weaken vs. people with considerable INT, using full epic/intense Diab.
Having tested innumerable times while raiding on Human Conti, PLUM and I have similar INT and the best I can hope to achieve is dealing anywhere between 30~60 damage a hit vs. a naked human with 100int.
As prev. mentioned, at 50% your magic attack is sitting at (around) 75, added to the fact Macho is similar level to you, I'd have gone for someone a lot weaker than he.
I would recommend that when you use stone, swap to a staff and then start hitting.
Goes without saying, bring your hero gear.
Ditto to wanting Conti to be open to people with less INT than PLUM, but then it'd have to be for Devils too when we raid - need to bare in mind that the ONLY reason the Axers come with us is to use stone because they wouldn't ever be able to land a kill doing 1~30 damage per swing.
The only foreseeable problem is that people may SAY they are open to having % upped, but wouldn't want to live with the consequence. Heck, half the humans who hunt on Conti don't even attend Wotw (which is actually a prime reason we raid). [/quote]
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#8 2014/01/20 09:56:13 |
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"S0RCERER""SHATTERSTAR"I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee. For once I actually agree with you. The % needs upping on both sides to make it more of a fair fight rather than having to 7/8 on 1/2 just to land a kill or stop people from hunting. It'd make it alot more enjoyable for everyone I think rather than having it as it is at the moment. The only problem is archers dex stops humans being able to do anything, if this is resolved then it becomes alot more entertaining for everyone!
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[quote="YUFFIE"][quote="S0RCERER"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee.
I don't think it should require people with plums int to touch a lower level melee devil. But that's me. I mean a devil could stop hunting 1 v 1 at BG, however they could not kill me. This would not be the case for me and AB's[/quote]
Only I (and monster) can outpot people at BG while in weaken vs. people with considerable INT, using full epic/intense Diab.
Having tested innumerable times while raiding on Human Conti, PLUM and I have similar INT and the best I can hope to achieve is dealing anywhere between 30~60 damage a hit vs. a naked human with 100int.
As prev. mentioned, at 50% your magic attack is sitting at (around) 75, added to the fact Macho is similar level to you, I'd have gone for someone a lot weaker than he.
I would recommend that when you use stone, swap to a staff and then start hitting.
Goes without saying, bring your hero gear.
Ditto to wanting Conti to be open to people with less INT than PLUM, but then it'd have to be for Devils too when we raid - need to bare in mind that the ONLY reason the Axers come with us is to use stone because they wouldn't ever be able to land a kill doing 1~30 damage per swing.
The only foreseeable problem is that people may SAY they are open to having % upped, but wouldn't want to live with the consequence. Heck, half the humans who hunt on Conti don't even attend Wotw (which is actually a prime reason we raid). [/quote]
For once I actually agree with you. The % needs upping on both sides to make it more of a fair fight rather than having to 7/8 on 1/2 just to land a kill or stop people from hunting. It'd make it alot more enjoyable for everyone I think rather than having it as it is at the moment. The only problem is archers dex stops humans being able to do anything, if this is resolved then it becomes alot more entertaining for everyone! [/quote]
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#9 2014/01/20 11:52:03 |
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"SHATTERSTAR" BG have 80 STR, Conti AB have 137 STR. Quite a big difference. :O Could compare our conti hoppers (83 str) to your BG I'd say. I don't think the GM's are open for a raiders % increase at this point. I'd rather fix the problems (attendence mostly) with the war through adding bosses / top end mobs as well as a pos shop upgrade.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]
I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee.
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BG have 80 STR, Conti AB have 137 STR. Quite a big difference. :O
Could compare our conti hoppers (83 str) to your BG I'd say.
I don't think the GM's are open for a raiders % increase at this point. I'd rather fix the problems (attendence mostly) with the war through adding bosses / top end mobs as well as a pos shop upgrade.
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#10 2014/01/20 12:11:17 |
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the ONLY thing that will make attendance to war mandatory is
make it the best mob / fastest xp / best drops place to be. add BLG and nightmares with same dropfiles but LOWER droprate but with 7 int/str more add WBM and tweak drazil druid so they are 7 str and 7 int more OR just add BLG/nightmare/wbm to conti and make it so all conti mobs grant 10% faster levelling speed. or even make it so when you own conti you are set with a GIVERESTED flag or something so rested xp is double speed when you own conti. there is nothing else that will continually make people fight for war than loot and lvling speed. Adding pamoth will not make all humans attend war lol
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]the ONLY thing that will make attendance to war mandatory is
make it the best mob / fastest xp / best drops place to be.
add BLG and nightmares with same dropfiles but LOWER droprate but with 7 int/str more
add WBM and tweak drazil druid so they are 7 str and 7 int more
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just add BLG/nightmare/wbm to conti and make it so all conti mobs grant 10% faster levelling speed. or even make it so when you own conti you are set with a GIVERESTED flag or something so rested xp is double speed when you own conti.
there is nothing else that will continually make people fight for war than loot and lvling speed.
Adding pamoth will not make all humans attend war lol
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#11 2014/01/20 13:12:09 |
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SHATTERSTAR |
"GHOSTLORD""SHATTERSTAR" On the flip side, the war is one hour a week with 10-15 minutes that actually matter. Otherwise its 50 minutes of horse trading pos with an attempted surge on 1 player. Raiding conti is available 24/7 for 6 days(?), What about sorting the raiding %'s out for each race to make it fair for both races. Like devils 75%, humans 125% (made up numbers). If a human kills a devil on devil owned conti a token drops, and vice versa. These tokens could be used personally as follows; hand in XX tokens to get a flute of xx spawn - blow flute - pamoth spawns for example. make it higher tokens and drop rates. Therefore to get good weapons you have to actually engage in world combat. These tokens could do anything not just the above.
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[quote="SHATTERSTAR"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="SHATTERSTAR"]
I may be wrong but I doubt any human could kill a devil as quickly as we does yesterday. Which is my biggest gripe. Even at BG's a devil can outpot weaken and DB spam. Let alone melee.
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BG have 80 STR, Conti AB have 137 STR. Quite a big difference. :O
Could compare our conti hoppers (83 str) to your BG I'd say.
I don't think the GM's are open for a raiders % increase at this point. I'd rather fix the problems (attendence mostly) with the war through adding bosses / top end mobs as well as a pos shop upgrade.
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On the flip side, the war is one hour a week with 10-15 minutes that actually matter. Otherwise its 50 minutes of horse trading pos with an attempted surge on 1 player.
Raiding conti is available 24/7 for 6 days(?),
What about sorting the raiding %'s out for each race to make it fair for both races. Like devils 75%, humans 125% (made up numbers). If a human kills a devil on devil owned conti a token drops, and vice versa. These tokens could be used personally as follows;
hand in XX tokens to get a flute of xx spawn - blow flute - pamoth spawns for example. make it higher tokens and drop rates. Therefore to get good weapons you have to actually engage in world combat.
These tokens could do anything not just the above.[/quote]
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#12 2014/01/20 13:48:57 |
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"NEOXIAN" Yes it would On topic though, you get what deserve for venturing into dsoma cont. Its suicide no matter what your level/stats. |
#13 2014/01/23 14:03:52 |
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Its more about devils outgoing damage at 100% vs humans on 50% is ridiculously more than when you compare a humans damage on 100% vs a devil on 50% (When each race has conti) rather than how much damage the "raiding" race is capable of doing.
Anyone that says humans have an equal chance of killing devils (Regardless of how many numbers humans turn up with) on their map as they do on ours is delusional.
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[quote="FUJITORA"]Its more about devils outgoing damage at 100% vs humans on 50% is ridiculously more than when you compare a humans damage on 100% vs a devil on 50% (When each race has conti) rather than how much damage the "raiding" race is capable of doing.
Anyone that says humans have an equal chance of killing devils (Regardless of how many numbers humans turn up with) on their map as they do on ours is delusional.[/quote]
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#14 2014/01/23 16:18:21 |
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NEOXIAN |
Fuji that is absolute bullshit, if you brought Leo plum Zyzz and a few others and time a stone you're just as likely get a kill off at abs and kl's. MORE SO probably since you can all do magic damage! Nobody carries more than 10 blue serums in pve!
Plum has the same magic attack as s0rcerer and devils have less hp than humans. Sure you won't have mid range melee chars scoring kills but you bet if a group of you gang up on most devils lvl 70 and below they stand no chance. Your argument is worthless as it's humans laziness like wow that prevents killing devils.
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[quote="NEOXIAN"]Fuji that is absolute bullshit, if you brought Leo plum Zyzz and a few others and time a stone you're just as likely get a kill off at abs and kl's. MORE SO probably since you can all do magic damage! Nobody carries more than 10 blue serums in pve!
Plum has the same magic attack as s0rcerer and devils have less hp than humans.
Sure you won't have mid range melee chars scoring kills but you bet if a group of you gang up on most devils lvl 70 and below they stand no chance.
Your argument is worthless as it's humans laziness like wow that prevents killing devils.
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