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"THEMAT""KHASAV"My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?
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[quote="KHASAV"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"]My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. [/quote]
A few points:
- It seems quite a few devils quit because of guild drama.
- Some people that didn't like the stat system went to hsoma.
- To be blunt, a lot of dsoma players couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
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As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?[/quote]
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#31 2018/02/16 15:31:53 |
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THEMAT |
"KHASAV""THEMAT""KHASAV"My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. Yes because I don't see how humans getting 2-4 hit whilst devils are tanking humans with 200 int is remotely balanced.
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[quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"]My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. [/quote]
A few points:
- It seems quite a few devils quit because of guild drama.
- Some people that didn't like the stat system went to hsoma.
- To be blunt, a lot of dsoma players couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
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As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?[/quote]
Yes because I don't see how humans getting 2-4 hit whilst devils are tanking humans with 200 int is remotely balanced.[/quote]
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#32 2018/02/16 15:34:56 |
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ARYA_ |
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#33 2018/02/16 15:37:23 |
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ARYA_ |
Themat, can I just ask, the theme of your posts here, are you wanting devils to die by magic and also melee? the fact devils have only won wotw twice since the patch, the fact devils are on a higher % then humans because we cant win, what exactly are you wanting?
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[quote="ARYA_"]Themat, can I just ask, the theme of your posts here, are you wanting devils to die by magic and also melee? the fact devils have only won wotw twice since the patch, the fact devils are on a higher % then humans because we cant win, what exactly are you wanting?[/quote]
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#34 2018/02/16 15:52:18 |
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ERDEKA |
"THEMAT""KHASAV""THEMAT""KHASAV"My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. Play mage 200 int 200 str and gear up as SHAILO :) you choose your path, you suffer your mistakes and % will justify it.
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[quote="ERDEKA"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"]My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. [/quote]
A few points:
- It seems quite a few devils quit because of guild drama.
- Some people that didn't like the stat system went to hsoma.
- To be blunt, a lot of dsoma players couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
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As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?[/quote]
Yes because I don't see how humans getting 2-4 hit whilst devils are tanking humans with 200 int is remotely balanced.[/quote]
Play mage 200 int 200 str and gear up as SHAILO :)
you choose your path, you suffer your mistakes and % will justify it.[/quote]
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#35 2018/02/16 16:02:19 |
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KEKKET |
Think its a bit short minded talking about balance now when devils didnt own it for months, i didnt hear any of it in the past weeks untill now.
A lot of devils now had enough daily marks to respec just for wotw. Would take a lot of time again to get enough scrolls to respec again.
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[quote="KEKKET"]Think its a bit short minded talking about balance now when devils didnt own it for months, i didnt hear any of it in the past weeks untill now.
A lot of devils now had enough daily marks to respec just for wotw. Would take a lot of time again to get enough scrolls to respec again.[/quote]
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#36 2018/02/16 16:06:51 |
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JAHEIRA |
"THEMAT""JAHEIRA" Indeed, but now I'm bk to 100 wis, and i dont have enough marks to respec again, so worry not Dosnt change the fact that i died enough with 170 wis due to zombie, and ppl say zombies ok lol I'd rather respec was only used when ppl have made a mistake and not to respec for wotw The only thing we have done is granted 2 weeks for humans when there % wont go down, because if human numbers turn up next week when most devils are bk to normal stats they will win again 170 wis 87.5% vs humans on 82.5%, next week 100 wis
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="JAHEIRA"]
I was max str and max wis, my con and dex was considerably lower, just noone tryed melee me
And yes with 170 wis and 16 wis from access and omni robes I could tank hsoma magic with 100+ hp pots, tho as soon as I was zombied the dmg from my own pots was to much, even tho I serumed zombie off, couldn't recover that (and yes even with 170 wis I was potting like mad)
The problem is how is a devil melee char ment to fight that amount of human magic, as well was zombie, think this proves how op zombie is tbf
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[url]https://youtu.be/kMTvtEyijFk?t=2m22s[/url]
[url]https://youtu.be/kMTvtEyijFk?t=2m49s[/url]
You seem to do pretty well here considering there's ~10 people attacking you. If it wasn't for zombie you wouldn't have died as you can see in the first clip. Jnjuny is also meleeing you in those clips and the damage is terrible considering you've sacrificed con for wis.
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Indeed, but now I'm bk to 100 wis, and i dont have enough marks to respec again, so worry not
Dosnt change the fact that i died enough with 170 wis due to zombie, and ppl say zombies ok lol
I'd rather respec was only used when ppl have made a mistake and not to respec for wotw
The only thing we have done is granted 2 weeks for humans when there % wont go down, because if human numbers turn up next week when most devils are bk to normal stats they will win again
170 wis 87.5% vs humans on 82.5%, next week 100 wis [/quote]
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#37 2018/02/16 16:12:19 |
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"THEMAT""KHASAV""THEMAT""KHASAV"My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. What on earth are you on about man....as Manti said, he re spec'd, and even when he was naked at the start you can see the damage was high from magic and there weren't that many humans at that point...and you are the lowest % you have been in a long time. Plus re specing for each wotw still isn't viable atm, you won't see it happening if it continues to be 6 dailies for each spec/respec (so 12 just for wotw) as previously mentioned we can't hunt our own mobs/pvp if we don't respec after wotw. I didn't re spec so I was fighting with my normal stats, which again just to reiterate is needed for our mobs and for balanced pvp (we already die in 4 hits from some class in pvp in our own realm (*when not re speced for wotw)) The damage I was taking from magic was still as high as I wish dishing out in melee (in most cases) I can guarantee you. That's disregarding you have more use of zombie, stone etc etc coz of numbers. You need to acknowledge that having more numbers in your favour does more than just give us more targets.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"]My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. [/quote]
A few points:
- It seems quite a few devils quit because of guild drama.
- Some people that didn't like the stat system went to hsoma.
- To be blunt, a lot of dsoma players couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
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As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?[/quote]
Yes because I don't see how humans getting 2-4 hit whilst devils are tanking humans with 200 int is remotely balanced.[/quote]
What on earth are you on about man....as Manti said, he re spec'd, and even when he was naked at the start you can see the damage was high from magic and there weren't that many humans at that point...and you are the lowest % you have been in a long time. Plus re specing for each wotw still isn't viable atm, you won't see it happening if it continues to be 6 dailies for each spec/respec (so 12 just for wotw) as previously mentioned we can't hunt our own mobs/pvp if we don't respec after wotw.
I didn't re spec so I was fighting with my normal stats, which again just to reiterate is needed for our mobs and for balanced pvp (we already die in 4 hits from some class in pvp in our own realm (*when not re speced for wotw))
The damage I was taking from magic was still as high as I wish dishing out in melee (in most cases) I can guarantee you. That's disregarding you have more use of zombie, stone etc etc coz of numbers. You need to acknowledge that having more numbers in your favour does more than just give us more targets.[/quote]
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#38 2018/02/16 16:15:34 |
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"ARYA_"Themat, can I just ask, the theme of your posts here, are you wanting devils to die by magic and also melee? the fact devils have only won wotw twice since the patch, the fact devils are on a higher % then humans because we cant win, what exactly are you wanting? It should be balanced, so they take magic and melee damage, otherwise what’s the point. Melee humans are rendered completely useless and don’t turn up. I’m not saying a melee human should 3-4 a devil. "ERDEKA"Play mage 200 int 200 str and gear up as SHAILO :) If you’d read the previous posts, you’d see I’ve mentioned that, the amount of damage done to humans with 200 str is still ridiculous. "KEKKET"Think its a bit short minded talking about balance now when devils didnt own it for months, i didnt hear any of it in the past weeks untill now. I’ve talked about wotw balance since before the cap raise and stat system, when I played dsoma, it’s not just a kneejerk reaction to losing wotw once. I also said the stat system is flawed because everyone just maxes their main stats and dumps the rest in wis, which is exactly what happened on release. Along with that, the fact the class that needs wis the least (archers), end up with the most. Archers having 133 wis with the rest of their stats maxed out, and Spear having 99 wis with the rest of the stats maxed out just doesn’t make sense to me. "JAHEIRA" I’m not commenting on zombie, because it definitely has its problems which have been discussed a bit on other sections of the forum recently. I agree on the respec point, i’d rather have more overall balance than being forced to do dailies to respec for Wars, just doesn’t seem like fun. "SLAYER" I know he respecced, i commented on it in one of my first posts. I know dsoma pvp is alot more volatile now, but that’s got nothing to do with RVR balance other than showing that dsoma attack is too high. I refuse to believe the magic damage you were taking was comparable to your output. Humans have more numbers yes, but like i’ve said, all of the melee humans are completely redundant so they don’t turn up, they do min damage. That means there are just dex mages (who are useless because of how high dsoma dex is) and str/dex mages who still get destroyed. Talking of damage output and damage taken, look at Afros video from the other day when devils were raiding human conti (which was good fun btw): https://youtu.be/76jgAoDTdcU Devils: Afro/Tedz0r/Brain/Sam Humans: Me/Biggy/Jpot/Deathnote/Shailo/Papapilas and knutsel towards the end. Even raiding human conti the amount of damage being done was ridiculous, and wasn’t remotely comparable to the damage being taken by chars with 170-200 int and MA gear. Shailo at 200str dies in 4 hits I think it was from an archer click-locking at range 8. Without chars stoning, I doubt we’d have got more than a few kills because we couldn’t stand still. Jpot actually logged onto a capped melee char at some point and ended up switching back because he couldn’t actually do anything. I don’t see how anyone can watch that and think it shouldn’t be more balanced. I’m all for devils not getting 2 hit when weakened, but the same needs to be done with regards to hsoma tank chars getting completely rinsed and melee being useless.
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[quote="THEMAT"][quote="ARYA_"]Themat, can I just ask, the theme of your posts here, are you wanting devils to die by magic and also melee? the fact devils have only won wotw twice since the patch, the fact devils are on a higher % then humans because we cant win, what exactly are you wanting?[/quote]
It should be balanced, so they take magic and melee damage, otherwise what’s the point. Melee humans are rendered completely useless and don’t turn up. I’m not saying a melee human should 3-4 a devil.
[quote="ERDEKA"]Play mage 200 int 200 str and gear up as SHAILO :)
you choose your path, you suffer your mistakes and % will justify it.[/quote]
If you’d read the previous posts, you’d see I’ve mentioned that, the amount of damage done to humans with 200 str is still ridiculous.
[quote="KEKKET"]Think its a bit short minded talking about balance now when devils didnt own it for months, i didnt hear any of it in the past weeks untill now.
A lot of devils now had enough daily marks to respec just for wotw. Would take a lot of time again to get enough scrolls to respec again.[/quote]
I’ve talked about wotw balance since before the cap raise and stat system, when I played dsoma, it’s not just a kneejerk reaction to losing wotw once. I also said the stat system is flawed because everyone just maxes their main stats and dumps the rest in wis, which is exactly what happened on release. Along with that, the fact the class that needs wis the least (archers), end up with the most. Archers having 133 wis with the rest of their stats maxed out, and Spear having 99 wis with the rest of the stats maxed out just doesn’t make sense to me.
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Indeed, but now I'm bk to 100 wis, and i dont have enough marks to respec again, so worry not
Dosnt change the fact that i died enough with 170 wis due to zombie, and ppl say zombies ok lol
I'd rather respec was only used when ppl have made a mistake and not to respec for wotw
The only thing we have done is granted 2 weeks for humans when there % wont go down, because if human numbers turn up next week when most devils are bk to normal stats they will win again
170 wis 87.5% vs humans on 82.5%, next week 100 wis [/quote]
I’m not commenting on zombie, because it definitely has its problems which have been discussed a bit on other sections of the forum recently. I agree on the respec point, i’d rather have more overall balance than being forced to do dailies to respec for Wars, just doesn’t seem like fun.
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What on earth are you on about man....as Manti said, he re spec'd, and even when he was naked at the start you can see the damage was high from magic and there weren't that many humans at that point...and you are the lowest % you have been in a long time. Plus re specing for each wotw still isn't viable atm, you won't see it happening if it continues to be 6 dailies for each spec/respec (so 12 just for wotw) as previously mentioned we can't hunt our own mobs/pvp if we don't respec after wotw.
I didn't re spec so I was fighting with my normal stats, which again just to reiterate is needed for our mobs and for balanced pvp (we already die in 4 hits from some class in pvp in our own realm (*when not re speced for wotw))
The damage I was taking from magic was still as high as I wish dishing out in melee (in most cases) I can guarantee you. That's disregarding you have more use of zombie, stone etc etc coz of numbers. You need to acknowledge that having more numbers in your favour does more than just give us more targets.[/quote]
I know he respecced, i commented on it in one of my first posts. I know dsoma pvp is alot more volatile now, but that’s got nothing to do with RVR balance other than showing that dsoma attack is too high.
I refuse to believe the magic damage you were taking was comparable to your output. Humans have more numbers yes, but like i’ve said, all of the melee humans are completely redundant so they don’t turn up, they do min damage. That means there are just dex mages (who are useless because of how high dsoma dex is) and str/dex mages who still get destroyed.
Talking of damage output and damage taken, look at Afros video from the other day when devils were raiding human conti (which was good fun btw):
https://youtu.be/76jgAoDTdcU
Devils: Afro/Tedz0r/Brain/Sam
Humans: Me/Biggy/Jpot/Deathnote/Shailo/Papapilas and knutsel towards the end.
Even raiding human conti the amount of damage being done was ridiculous, and wasn’t remotely comparable to the damage being taken by chars with 170-200 int and MA gear. Shailo at 200str dies in 4 hits I think it was from an archer click-locking at range 8. Without chars stoning, I doubt we’d have got more than a few kills because we couldn’t stand still. Jpot actually logged onto a capped melee char at some point and ended up switching back because he couldn’t actually do anything. I don’t see how anyone can watch that and think it shouldn’t be more balanced.
I’m all for devils not getting 2 hit when weakened, but the same needs to be done with regards to hsoma tank chars getting completely rinsed and melee being useless.
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#39 2018/02/16 17:15:39 |
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CYROX |
Jaheira u tanked 10 humans. Why can't u be happy with that? Just because someone dropped a zombie on you and you died doesn't give it means to be nerfed. Do you want to tank 15? 20?
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#40 2018/02/16 17:39:19 |
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Devils: Afro/Tedz0r/Brain/Sam only 1 devil was capped rest wernt capped sam isnt 100+ yet afro was 110 brain 102 ted 105+(i think) think we did pretty well tho 4 devs vs 6/7 humans both races got kills in |
#41 2018/02/16 17:40:56 |
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CYROX |
You will never find the right balance. Humans will moan if they get 2 hit or can't 2 hit a devil, vice versa with Devils. Put everyone on 100% like esoma. devils raped on esoma but humans made up for it on numbers
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#42 2018/02/16 17:44:49 |
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How can it be balanced when a devil can only kill via 1 method either melee or magic, lol come on humans are at least 10vs1 at wotw most of the time, we only won as we was better organised at the end, a few of us did a respec which helped but didn't fix it.
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#43 2018/02/16 17:47:45 |
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SHAILO |
"ERDEKA""THEMAT""KHASAV""THEMAT""KHASAV"My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. I was 2 hit and 2nd by jaheira.
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[quote="SHAILO"][quote="ERDEKA"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"][quote="THEMAT"][quote="KHASAV"]My point is notmat that we have still lost for 2 months and you are asking for us to be nerfed? If we are the unstoppable force you claim us to be why have we been so easily stopped for 2 months? And even if you guys were buffed instead of us being nerfed we would never see conti again. [/quote]
A few points:
- It seems quite a few devils quit because of guild drama.
- Some people that didn't like the stat system went to hsoma.
- To be blunt, a lot of dsoma players couldn't organise a piss-up in a brewery.
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As you say most past players now play human. So your solution to our lower numbers and your higher numbers is to nerf our stats to balance the war?[/quote]
Yes because I don't see how humans getting 2-4 hit whilst devils are tanking humans with 200 int is remotely balanced.[/quote]
Play mage 200 int 200 str and gear up as SHAILO :)
you choose your path, you suffer your mistakes and % will justify it.[/quote]
I was 2 hit and 2nd by jaheira.
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#44 2018/02/16 17:52:52 |
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"CYROX"Jaheira u tanked 10 humans. Why can't u be happy with that? Just because someone dropped a zombie on you and you died doesn't give it means to be nerfed. Do you want to tank 15? 20? My point is if I can't survive with 170 wis, what am I spost to do when im normal stats at 99 wis ?
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[quote="JAHEIRA"][quote="CYROX"]Jaheira u tanked 10 humans. Why can't u be happy with that? Just because someone dropped a zombie on you and you died doesn't give it means to be nerfed. Do you want to tank 15? 20? [/quote]
My point is if I can't survive with 170 wis, what am I spost to do when im normal stats at 99 wis ?[/quote]
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