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May i just remind everyone i did say “this is my opinion” on all these matters and did state pros and cons for the issues above.
When people say “look at it from other people point of view” well apply to come on the podcast to give your view we say this everyweek I can only give my opinion as i am talking on my podcast.... i try to look at it from all angles when talking sbout it though. If you have things you want us to discuss on the cast please inbox me with your view and point and inwill happily read it out of the cast
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[quote="SUBXERO"]May i just remind everyone i did say “this is my opinion” on all these matters and did state pros and cons for the issues above.
When people say “look at it from other people point of view” well apply to come on the podcast to give your view we say this everyweek
I can only give my opinion as i am talking on my podcast.... i try to look at it from all angles when talking sbout it though.
If you have things you want us to discuss on the cast please inbox me with your view and point and inwill happily read it out of the cast[/quote]
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#16 2018/02/28 08:04:28 |
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"SUPERSTOREV2""ISYLVER"If people want to leave because they can’t keep killing people over and over then that’s fine by me. This change is as much for our gms as it is the players. Agreed, GMs won't be taking part in politics anymore as there shouldn't be any PK based politics when this feature comes in. Soma isn't like any other MMO so your point is invalid. What data do you have? I forget you can see all of our metrics/our qual insight our usage data? I'd rather trust the data than the mystic meg opinion of "if you add this you will have no players" - with the greatest respect. People need to see this as a positive change and as Ibraa and Pikutin have mentioned already - the major concerning point around paralyze aura has been solved in the implementation approach. Test and learn.
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[quote="ISYLVER"][quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="ISYLVER"]If people want to leave because they can’t keep killing people over and over then that’s fine by me. This change is as much for our gms as it is the players.
My inbox and ghosts are constantly full of pking/harassment and griefing
I would reiterate this - if people want to leave based on a change that they haven’t even tested then we don’t want those players around. There’s not enough toys to throw out of the pram.
To those who want to test it and provide feedback to when it is in thank you.
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It's been said countless times that Gm's shouldn't play a part in in-game politics it doesn't seem to work.
Is there any other PvP based mmo out there that states how often your allowed to Pk someone?
You may not want the players here who are leaving due to the changes but they are needed, Dsoma is all but dead now due to a lack of PvP, the options are play a human or continue playing Dsoma basically as an offline game (apart from Gvw and Wotw)
If PvP Becomes to restricted Hsoma becomes like Dsoma and you have next to no usercount left to run a server for. [/quote]
Agreed, GMs won't be taking part in politics anymore as there shouldn't be any PK based politics when this feature comes in.
Soma isn't like any other MMO so your point is invalid.
What data do you have? I forget you can see all of our metrics/our qual insight our usage data? I'd rather trust the data than the mystic meg opinion of "if you add this you will have no players" - with the greatest respect.
People need to see this as a positive change and as Ibraa and Pikutin have mentioned already - the major concerning point around paralyze aura has been solved in the implementation approach.
Test and learn.
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#17 2018/02/28 08:16:14 |
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"ISYLVER""SUPERSTOREV2""ISYLVER"If people want to leave because they can’t keep killing people over and over then that’s fine by me. This change is as much for our gms as it is the players. Soma has loads in common with other mmos. The only data I can go by is what I see putting the hours in in-game and Dsoma is suffering, also hsoma doesn't seem at all active after Pvp mode has been off for a few days, is it possible to see the average user count numbers over the last 3 days without PK mode compared to when it was still on? Also struggle to see why you wouldn't even put this to the community/poll. If this is to be a positive change then surely it should be something the majority or the players want, from those I've spoke to in game there is roughly a 70/30 split AGAINST this change coming in,.
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[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="ISYLVER"][quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="ISYLVER"]If people want to leave because they can’t keep killing people over and over then that’s fine by me. This change is as much for our gms as it is the players.
My inbox and ghosts are constantly full of pking/harassment and griefing
I would reiterate this - if people want to leave based on a change that they haven’t even tested then we don’t want those players around. There’s not enough toys to throw out of the pram.
To those who want to test it and provide feedback to when it is in thank you.
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It's been said countless times that Gm's shouldn't play a part in in-game politics it doesn't seem to work.
Is there any other PvP based mmo out there that states how often your allowed to Pk someone?
You may not want the players here who are leaving due to the changes but they are needed, Dsoma is all but dead now due to a lack of PvP, the options are play a human or continue playing Dsoma basically as an offline game (apart from Gvw and Wotw)
If PvP Becomes to restricted Hsoma becomes like Dsoma and you have next to no usercount left to run a server for. [/quote]
Agreed, GMs won't be taking part in politics anymore as there shouldn't be any PK based politics when this feature comes in.
Soma isn't like any other MMO so your point is invalid.
What data do you have? I forget you can see all of our metrics/our qual insight our usage data? I'd rather trust the data than the mystic meg opinion of "if you add this you will have no players" - with the greatest respect.
People need to see this as a positive change and as Ibraa and Pikutin have mentioned already - the major concerning point around paralyze aura has been solved in the implementation approach.
Test and learn.
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Soma has loads in common with other mmos.
The only data I can go by is what I see putting the hours in in-game and Dsoma is suffering, also hsoma doesn't seem at all active after Pvp mode has been off for a few days, is it possible to see the average user count numbers over the last 3 days without PK mode compared to when it was still on?
Also struggle to see why you wouldn't even put this to the community/poll.
If this is to be a positive change then surely it should be something the majority or the players want, from those I've spoke to in game there is roughly a 70/30 split AGAINST this change coming in,. [/quote]
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#18 2018/02/28 08:28:45 |
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GHOSTLORD |
DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot.
PS. most MMO's simply flag PvP as on / off. I think this is a way better solution. |
#19 2018/02/28 08:33:25 |
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You could just get your allied guild to pk you twice so you can get a chance to get a free stone in and also get a chance to kill a boss :D
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#20 2018/02/28 08:34:09 |
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SUPERSTOREV2 |
"GHOSTLORD"DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot. DSoma died due to Gm's Ingame involvement in in-game politics and people being banned because of it from my understanding
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[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot.[/quote]
DSoma died due to Gm's Ingame involvement in in-game politics and people being banned because of it from my understanding[/quote]
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#21 2018/02/28 08:35:10 |
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"SUPERSTOREV2""GHOSTLORD"DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot. Which again, would be fixed by the new system. Even though I (we) try our best I'm sure we've made mistakes. It couldn't at all have been the community being slightly too toxic. :)
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot.[/quote]
DSoma died due to Gm's Ingame involvement in in-game politics and people being banned because of it from my understanding[/quote]
Which again, would be fixed by the new system.
Even though I (we) try our best I'm sure we've made mistakes. It couldn't at all have been the community being slightly too toxic. :)[/quote]
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#22 2018/02/28 08:37:03 |
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"GHOSTLORD""SUPERSTOREV2""GHOSTLORD"DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot. You guys all do brilliant... But Ingame politics is no place for a GM, this change isn't needed for the Gm's to not be involved in this By limiting pk so much your going to just have inboxes full of people saying "every 30 minutes he's here to kill me, I'm quitting the game" Then we're back to square one. Why not trial Gm's staying out of Ingame politics chuck up a simple poll on the forum for level X+ to vote. That way we can see if this change is wanted by the community or not.
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[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]DSoma was thriving a while back and still would be if this was in place back then. This change should help a lot.[/quote]
DSoma died due to Gm's Ingame involvement in in-game politics and people being banned because of it from my understanding[/quote]
Which again, would be fixed by the new system.
Even though I (we) try our best I'm sure we've made mistakes. It couldn't at all have been the community being slightly too toxic. :)[/quote]
You guys all do brilliant... But Ingame politics is no place for a GM, this change isn't needed for the Gm's to not be involved in this
By limiting pk so much your going to just have inboxes full of people saying "every 30 minutes he's here to kill me, I'm quitting the game"
Then we're back to square one. Why not trial Gm's staying out of Ingame politics chuck up a simple poll on the forum for level X+ to vote.
That way we can see if this change is wanted by the community or not. [/quote]
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#23 2018/02/28 08:40:20 |
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GHOSTLORD |
But there is:
Don't police anything - Victims leave Police PKers - PKers leave Either way, the game would've ended up in the same position. With this change it is out of the GM's hands and back into the community. This way we'll be able to find that sweet spot where people join our game and don't feel as if PKers control their gaming experience. Masses don't make the right dicisions. iSylver (we as a team) have taken it upon us to take care of this game. It's our duty to do what we think is right.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"]But there is:
Don't police anything - Victims leave
Police PKers - PKers leave
Either way, the game would've ended up in the same position. With this change it is out of the GM's hands and back into the community. This way we'll be able to find that sweet spot where people join our game and don't feel as if PKers control their gaming experience.
Masses don't make the right dicisions. iSylver (we as a team) have taken it upon us to take care of this game. It's our duty to do what we think is right.[/quote]
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#24 2018/02/28 08:44:36 |
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I can see the benefits of this move to gms inbox
It's obviously a win for pve over pvp but these things happen - would it be possible to get clarity that once this rule comes in all pk is fair pk? It seems to me this would be a win win for everyone - people who don't care about pk can hunt forever - people who do care about pk can pk forever. :D ?
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[quote="PIKUTIN"]I can see the benefits of this move to gms inbox
It's obviously a win for pve over pvp but these things happen - would it be possible to get clarity that once this rule comes in all pk is fair pk?
It seems to me this would be a win win for everyone - people who don't care about pk can hunt forever - people who do care about pk can pk forever.
:D ?[/quote]
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#25 2018/02/28 08:48:56 |
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"GHOSTLORD"But there is: On a PvP based game? It's fairly obvious what your getting into when you play soma - or any other pvp based game (it's been around 15+ years and never had such terrible restrictions around) Almost everybody has been given a hard time by pkers at some point or another, you level around it until your strong enough to fight back. Or group up with other victims and fight together. It's one of the main incentives to put in all that repetitive grinding of mobs
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[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]But there is:
Don't police anything - Victims leave
Police PKers - PKers leave
Either way, the game would've ended up in the same position. With this change it is out of the GM's hands and back into the community. This way we'll be able to find that sweet spot where people join our game and don't feel as if PKers control their gaming experience.[/quote]
On a PvP based game? It's fairly obvious what your getting into when you play soma - or any other pvp based game (it's been around 15+ years and never had such terrible restrictions around)
Almost everybody has been given a hard time by pkers at some point or another, you level around it until your strong enough to fight back. Or group up with other victims and fight together. It's one of the main incentives to put in all that repetitive grinding of mobs[/quote]
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#26 2018/02/28 08:49:05 |
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In the last podcast, these guys have said that the spawns need fixing. I am whole-heatedly saying I agree.
There are so many unused areas of the every map that are gone to waste because...? I'd like a reason from the GMs. The unused space can be used to increase the major boss spawns by at least 100% for each spawn. They did also say that most of the reason people log out is because the other spawns aren't as efficient, and they don't offer the same drop-age as the spawn they were hunting at - how is this even an issue? Easily fixable i'm pretty sure you've seen the thread already, but if not : https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=19682&title=Improved+key+mob+spawns%2E&Page=1 The thread above will benefit EVERYONE on the server. You don't need statistics to prove that. I do like the new system for one reason:; GMs leaving in-game politics. I'm sure that they face a hard time trying to appeal to everyone on the server and I hope that there is a way to overcome this as well. "SUPERSTOREV2""GHOSTLORD"But there is: +1
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[quote="SCAMMER"]In the last podcast, these guys have said that the spawns need fixing. I am whole-heatedly saying I agree.
There are so many unused areas of the every map that are gone to waste because...? I'd like a reason from the GMs. The unused space can be used to increase the major boss spawns by at least 100% for each spawn. They did also say that most of the reason people log out is because the other spawns aren't as efficient, and they don't offer the same drop-age as the spawn they were hunting at - how is this even an issue? Easily fixable
i'm pretty sure you've seen the thread already, but if not :
https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=19682&title=Improved+key+mob+spawns%2E&Page=1
The thread above will benefit EVERYONE on the server. You don't need statistics to prove that.
I do like the new system for one reason:; GMs leaving in-game politics. I'm sure that they face a hard time trying to appeal to everyone on the server and I hope that there is a way to overcome this as well.
[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]But there is:
Don't police anything - Victims leave
Police PKers - PKers leave
Either way, the game would've ended up in the same position. With this change it is out of the GM's hands and back into the community. This way we'll be able to find that sweet spot where people join our game and don't feel as if PKers control their gaming experience.[/quote]
On a PvP based game? It's fairly obvious what your getting into when you play soma - or any other pvp based game (it's been around 15+ years and never had such terrible restrictions around)
Almost everybody has been given a hard time by pkers at some point or another, you level around it until your strong enough to fight back. Or group up with other victims and fight together. It's one of the main incentives to put in all that repetitive grinding of mobs[/quote]
+1
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#27 2018/02/28 08:54:32 |
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I still think seriously lowering moral regain and a pk free map is a more “natural” change. But you have fixed the stoning issue.
As pik says, if it means now that all pk is unpoliced I guess I can see benefits. |
#28 2018/02/28 08:59:33 |
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[28/02, 08:19] +44 : Isylver is a fucking dick ain’t he lol
[28/02, 08:19] +44: And this new pk system is a joke [28/02, 08:20] +44 : I’m just reading through this new pk system thread [28/02, 08:20] +44: He’s so up his own arse, won’t listen to anyone’s valid points [28/02, 08:21] +44 : ‘Soma is not like any other MMO so your point is invalid’ complete bullshit argument [28/02, 08:21] +44 : He’ll kill his own game eventually [28/02, 08:21] +44 : Yea [28/02, 08:21] +44 : 100% [28/02, 08:21] +44 : What’s wrong with a PVE Barr drop only map [28/02, 08:21] +44 7: And keep pk as is [28/02, 08:22] +44 : The new system is absolute dog shit, makes me wanna quit again before I can even pk lol [28/02, 08:23] +44 : Gonna give it some thought but might just fuck it off [28/02, 08:24] +44: Arrogant fuck [28/02, 08:24] +44 : Gets these terrible ideas, rams them down everyone’s throat [28/02, 08:24] +44 : And fucks shit up [28/02, 08:24] +44 : Look at dsoma ffs [28/02, 08:39] +44 : He doesn’t listen, I tried pre patch and he’ll either disregard my points or ban me lol [28/02, 08:40] +44 : You could literally have 95% of the server tell him they hate an idea and you’ll get ‘its happening, end of’ [28/02, 08:42] +44 : I’ll say my piece later anyway, but it will be pointless [28/02, 08:43] +44: Lol at the end of the day there doesn’t need to be an anti pk system [28/02, 08:44] +44: Just let people pk like esoma [28/02, 08:44] +44 : That’s what attracted me to soma in the beginning 20 minute feedback from a mixed guild WhatsApp group since Dan started posting about the change this morning - this is not a DL group chat I got kicked from that for not providing a selfie ( I shit you not) Names and numbers have been hidden in fear of the ban hammer Edit: probably shouldn't have removed every number now the feedback looks like it could all be from the same person, fml
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[quote="SUPERSTOREV2"][28/02, 08:19] +44 : Isylver is a fucking dick ain’t he lol
[28/02, 08:19] +44: And this new pk system is a joke
[28/02, 08:20] +44 : I’m just reading through this new pk system thread
[28/02, 08:20] +44: He’s so up his own arse, won’t listen to anyone’s valid points
[28/02, 08:21] +44 : ‘Soma is not like any other MMO so your point is invalid’ complete bullshit argument
[28/02, 08:21] +44 : He’ll kill his own game eventually
[28/02, 08:21] +44 : Yea
[28/02, 08:21] +44 : 100%
[28/02, 08:21] +44 : What’s wrong with a PVE Barr drop only map
[28/02, 08:21] +44 7: And keep pk as is
[28/02, 08:22] +44 : The new system is absolute dog shit, makes me wanna quit again before I can even pk lol
[28/02, 08:23] +44 : Gonna give it some thought but might just fuck it off
[28/02, 08:24] +44: Arrogant fuck
[28/02, 08:24] +44 : Gets these terrible ideas, rams them down everyone’s throat
[28/02, 08:24] +44 : And fucks shit up
[28/02, 08:24] +44 : Look at dsoma ffs
[28/02, 08:39] +44 : He doesn’t listen, I tried pre patch and he’ll either disregard my points or ban me lol
[28/02, 08:40] +44 : You could literally have 95% of the server tell him they hate an idea and you’ll get ‘its happening, end of’
[28/02, 08:42] +44 : I’ll say my piece later anyway, but it will be pointless
[28/02, 08:43] +44: Lol at the end of the day there doesn’t need to be an anti pk system
[28/02, 08:44] +44: Just let people pk like esoma
[28/02, 08:44] +44 : That’s what attracted me to soma in the beginning
20 minute feedback from a mixed guild WhatsApp group since Dan started posting about the change this morning - this is not a DL group chat I got kicked from that for not providing a selfie ( I shit you not)
Names and numbers have been hidden in fear of the ban hammer
Edit: probably shouldn't have removed every number now the feedback looks like it could all be from the same person, fml[/quote]
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#29 2018/02/28 09:13:05 |
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-you cannot go into immunity if you’ve attacked another player in the past 30 minutes or so
- immunity is in place if you die twice to pk within a period of time - should you attack anyone immunity is removed and you won’t be able to get it back for 30 minutes and then the 2 deaths will count. PK wars can still go on if you look at the rules, the only people who will benefit from what I see are those who dont want to get into a pk war, meaning those who aren't capped yet. The first rule above is important to notice in my opinion as it means if I attacked someone from mutiny then I cant go hunting and go immune as other members of mutiny can kill me as much as I let them/ meaning if I didnt want to tp. if I havent enjoyed any PK and just want to hunt in peace then I can die twice and be immune for 30 mins, not really that big a deal.
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[quote="ARYA_"]-you cannot go into immunity if you’ve attacked another player in the past 30 minutes or so
- immunity is in place if you die twice to pk within a period of time
- should you attack anyone immunity is removed and you won’t be able to get it back for 30 minutes and then the 2 deaths will count.
PK wars can still go on if you look at the rules, the only people who will benefit from what I see are those who dont want to get into a pk war, meaning those who aren't capped yet.
The first rule above is important to notice in my opinion as it means if I attacked someone from mutiny then I cant go hunting and go immune as other members of mutiny can kill me as much as I let them/ meaning if I didnt want to tp. if I havent enjoyed any PK and just want to hunt in peace then I can die twice and be immune for 30 mins, not really that big a deal.[/quote]
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