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DEIMOS |
Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time |
#1 2018/05/27 16:32:06 |
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SLAYER |
"DEIMOS"Can this get a small buff please Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so... Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="DEIMOS"]Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time[/quote]
Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so...
Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.[/quote]
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#2 2018/05/27 16:44:22 |
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AFRO |
"SLAYER""DEIMOS"Can this get a small buff please That's not true though... Bevan proc smashed Afro 1 hit without even weak. IBEX easily smashing people in pk wars. It may be odd times that mages can 1 hit someone without weak but with weak it should be 50% of the time.. surely this statement isn't correct/requires testing. Mages getting con buff just means that melee chars especially spear/axe requires wis buff.
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[quote="AFRO"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="DEIMOS"]Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time[/quote]
Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so...
Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.[/quote]
That's not true though...
Bevan proc smashed Afro 1 hit without even weak.
IBEX easily smashing people in pk wars.
It may be odd times that mages can 1 hit someone without weak but with weak it should be 50% of the time.. surely this statement isn't correct/requires testing.
Mages getting con buff just means that melee chars especially spear/axe requires wis buff.[/quote]
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#3 2018/05/27 17:13:16 |
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MINGEPIECE |
no one sed spear axe doesnt need buffing
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#4 2018/05/27 17:34:21 |
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MANTICORE |
"AFRO""SLAYER""DEIMOS"Can this get a small buff please yes fully agree mage class is a glass cannon and abit harder to play than the usual click lock warriors
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[quote="MANTICORE"][quote="AFRO"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="DEIMOS"]Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time[/quote]
Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so...
Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.[/quote]
That's not true though...
Bevan proc smashed Afro 1 hit without even weak.
IBEX easily smashing people in pk wars.
It may be odd times that mages can 1 hit someone without weak but with weak it should be 50% of the time.. surely this statement isn't correct/requires testing.
Mages getting con buff just means that melee chars especially spear/axe requires wis buff.[/quote]
yes fully agree mage class is a glass cannon and abit harder to play than the usual click lock warriors[/quote]
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#5 2018/05/27 17:48:38 |
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DEIMOS |
Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly
And weaken is potable just like zombie, ibex drops people fast because he has 10% chance to proc weaken (which I have already said I believe is far to high) bow rules out casting altogether and can empty a full bgweight of hp pots in about 2 minutes And re the wis comment I think it should be the robes requirements thing All melee classes moaning about being 1 hit in armours is the same as mages running around in robes, I dont get why that is always overlooked in dsoma - all hsoma tank builds have robes and armour mix to account for both defenses yet dsoma it's a case of just nerf the magic attacks because we cba ro wear md armours
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[quote="DEIMOS"]Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly
And weaken is potable just like zombie, ibex drops people fast because he has 10% chance to proc weaken (which I have already said I believe is far to high) bow rules out casting altogether and can empty a full bgweight of hp pots in about 2 minutes
And re the wis comment I think it should be the robes requirements thing
All melee classes moaning about being 1 hit in armours is the same as mages running around in robes, I dont get why that is always overlooked in dsoma - all hsoma tank builds have robes and armour mix to account for both defenses yet dsoma it's a case of just nerf the magic attacks because we cba ro wear md armours[/quote]
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#6 2018/05/27 18:26:31 |
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"DEIMOS"Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly People don't wear mage gear in pvp DSoma because the damage from any melle thats about would be way too high to make this possible where as on Hsoma it isn't. Sword users would probably hit+5th most classes from full in mage gear, you've alot more % chance of getting one hit from hit+5th in robes than you do of a mage procing you in melle armour Rough numbers but sword hit +5th Hsoma does 30% hp in melle gear maybe 40-45% in mage robes. DSoma swordy hits archer/knux 80-100% hp in melle armour, 100%-100% in mage robes? Hits spear 60-80%? In melle armour, probably 100% in mage robes Haven't tested yet just rough numbers
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[quote="PUTIN"][quote="DEIMOS"]Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly
And weaken is potable just like zombie, ibex drops people fast because he has 10% chance to proc weaken (which I have already said I believe is far to high) bow rules out casting altogether and can empty a full bgweight of hp pots in about 2 minutes
And re the wis comment I think it should be the robes requirements thing
All melee classes moaning about being 1 hit in armours is the same as mages running around in robes, I dont get why that is always overlooked in dsoma - all hsoma tank builds have robes and armour mix to account for both defenses yet dsoma it's a case of just nerf the magic attacks because we cba ro wear md armours[/quote]
People don't wear mage gear in pvp DSoma because the damage from any melle thats about would be way too high to make this possible where as on Hsoma it isn't. Sword users would probably hit+5th most classes from full in mage gear, you've alot more % chance of getting one hit from hit+5th in robes than you do of a mage procing you in melle armour
Rough numbers but sword hit +5th Hsoma does 30% hp in melle gear maybe 40-45% in mage robes.
DSoma swordy hits archer/knux 80-100% hp in melle armour, 100%-100% in mage robes?
Hits spear 60-80%? In melle armour, probably 100% in mage robes
Haven't tested yet just rough numbers [/quote]
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#7 2018/05/27 19:03:23 |
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Yes I understand that but on that premise mages shouldn't suffer and have their attacks nerfed like they have because of this, or because they have, at the very least they should have reasonable con to soak up some damage, a mage proc'ing is no different to a melee char using an attack aura essentially a double hit
Maybe introduce some robes that have higher def than invul but requirements accordingly suited so only mages can acquire them
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[quote="MERLIN"]Yes I understand that but on that premise mages shouldn't suffer and have their attacks nerfed like they have because of this, or because they have, at the very least they should have reasonable con to soak up some damage, a mage proc'ing is no different to a melee char using an attack aura essentially a double hit
Maybe introduce some robes that have higher def than invul but requirements accordingly suited so only mages can acquire them[/quote]
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#8 2018/05/28 09:13:26 |
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AFRO |
"DEIMOS"Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly Just to clarify, I was not moaning about being 1 hit by mage :) I actually love the fact that people are making mages in DSoma now and are actively bringing them to GVW (this use to be a dead) Mage hit hard and to be fair I have seen them survive during GVW longer than I would have expected. Example - I think Ibex survives multiple hits including 2 capped archer 4th https://youtu.be/G1sHUHXYG9Y?t=3m54s -- although I know you guys were around 90% I do understand though as a mage you want to last longer but IMO any longer will make it Myth of Mages. You can even see Minge a weak mage gets hit in this video by Putin and he survives. Also @90% - look at https://youtu.be/G1sHUHXYG9Y?t=9m45s - whoever got on the stone next would have won and laz took me out of play with weak and 1 hit - dealing around 90% damage. Let's not be selfish (not saying anyone here is) and understand the weakness and strength of every class. Mages do not need additional buff :)
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[quote="AFRO"][quote="DEIMOS"]Is it even possible to 1 hit without weaken? That must have been a double proc and max'd ma hit, double proc is so fractional imo it shouldn't be counted, sword can hit+5th every time, spear can hit + 4th mages quite regularly
And weaken is potable just like zombie, ibex drops people fast because he has 10% chance to proc weaken (which I have already said I believe is far to high) bow rules out casting altogether and can empty a full bgweight of hp pots in about 2 minutes
And re the wis comment I think it should be the robes requirements thing
All melee classes moaning about being 1 hit in armours is the same as mages running around in robes, I dont get why that is always overlooked in dsoma - all hsoma tank builds have robes and armour mix to account for both defenses yet dsoma it's a case of just nerf the magic attacks because we cba ro wear md armours[/quote]
Just to clarify, I was not moaning about being 1 hit by mage :)
I actually love the fact that people are making mages in DSoma now and are actively bringing them to GVW (this use to be a dead)
Mage hit hard and to be fair I have seen them survive during GVW longer than I would have expected.
Example - I think Ibex survives multiple hits including 2 capped archer 4th [url]https://youtu.be/G1sHUHXYG9Y?t=3m54s[/url] -- although I know you guys were around 90%
I do understand though as a mage you want to last longer but IMO any longer will make it Myth of Mages.
You can even see Minge a weak mage gets hit in this video by Putin and he survives.
Also @90% - look at [url]https://youtu.be/G1sHUHXYG9Y?t=9m45s[/url] - whoever got on the stone next would have won and laz took me out of play with weak and 1 hit - dealing around 90% damage.
Let's not be selfish (not saying anyone here is) and understand the weakness and strength of every class. Mages do not need additional buff :)[/quote]
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#9 2018/05/28 22:09:27 |
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only reason i was surviving putin cos he was waiting for regen
also not weak just low lvl still ;p |
#10 2018/05/28 23:37:53 |
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"AFRO""SLAYER""DEIMOS"Can this get a small buff please I'd be surprised if two normal hits kills you, as that is what you are saying Bevan did. IBex procs blues or does a double proc whilst someone else is already hitting the same target, in general. The video you linked I, plus maybe others were hitting you, you wouldn't of dropped if it was just him hitting you.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="AFRO"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="DEIMOS"]Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time[/quote]
Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so...
Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.[/quote]
That's not true though...
Bevan proc smashed Afro 1 hit without even weak.
IBEX easily smashing people in pk wars.
It may be odd times that mages can 1 hit someone without weak but with weak it should be 50% of the time.. surely this statement isn't correct/requires testing.
Mages getting con buff just means that melee chars especially spear/axe requires wis buff.[/quote]
I'd be surprised if two normal hits kills you, as that is what you are saying Bevan did. IBex procs blues or does a double proc whilst someone else is already hitting the same target, in general.
The video you linked I, plus maybe others were hitting you, you wouldn't of dropped if it was just him hitting you.[/quote]
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#11 2018/05/29 00:51:07 |
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"SLAYER""AFRO""SLAYER""DEIMOS"Can this get a small buff please Will just have to at some point record a 1 hit mage :) Going back to the topic about con+ on mage - my video has 2 capped archers 4th time a mage and not kill him - even if it is @90% if mages are so weak, he would be on the floor instead of also requiring a 5th sword to drop him. Also IBEX is not even close to capping. Keep DSoma mages as they are, a lot of people are rolling for one because they are that good. Also I am done with this topic unless something interesting pops in. I find the quote on top of a quote on top of a quote tedious. P.S. I am not saying any class is perfect or does not require tweaking but if you start giving con to mages and as a result must give wis to melee classes then it will start to make it hard to do any kind of pvp combo everyone defense will be high and you will make a post to increase attack for archers and mages will want more damage blah blah blah. Update: I just found a clip of Influence vs Merlin https://youtu.be/V-3-OaoVLeA?t=47s Few points @0:49 1 hit dropped me from 591 to 142 hp and my max hp is 712 - so I lose 449/712 hp with 1 hit from Merlin with no weak? Influence has much more wis than Afro I will also assume Bevan's gear is much better than Merlin's because I saw the beastly items he has. In the above video - @Merlin says "bad times when you need zombie to drop a mage" - bad times indeed.. if anything should we not be discussing nerfing their con? =p
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[quote="AFRO"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="AFRO"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="DEIMOS"]Can this get a small buff please
No class when maxing out their defense in full intense invul should be able to get 1 shorted (sword+5th) drops most mages 90% of the time[/quote]
Agree with this, a mage can't even weaken and hit any other class so...
Couple other classes need a con buff to but that's a side point.[/quote]
That's not true though...
Bevan proc smashed Afro 1 hit without even weak.
IBEX easily smashing people in pk wars.
It may be odd times that mages can 1 hit someone without weak but with weak it should be 50% of the time.. surely this statement isn't correct/requires testing.
Mages getting con buff just means that melee chars especially spear/axe requires wis buff.[/quote]
I'd be surprised if two normal hits kills you, as that is what you are saying Bevan did. IBex procs blues or does a double proc whilst someone else is already hitting the same target, in general.
The video you linked I, plus maybe others were hitting you, you wouldn't of dropped if it was just him hitting you.[/quote]
Will just have to at some point record a 1 hit mage :)
Going back to the topic about con+ on mage - my video has 2 capped archers 4th time a mage and not kill him - even if it is @90% if mages are so weak, he would be on the floor instead of also requiring a 5th sword to drop him. Also IBEX is not even close to capping.
Keep DSoma mages as they are, a lot of people are rolling for one because they are that good.
Also I am done with this topic unless something interesting pops in. I find the quote on top of a quote on top of a quote tedious.
P.S. I am not saying any class is perfect or does not require tweaking but if you start giving con to mages and as a result must give wis to melee classes then it will start to make it hard to do any kind of pvp combo everyone defense will be high and you will make a post to increase attack for archers and mages will want more damage blah blah blah.
Update:
I just found a clip of Influence vs Merlin
[url]https://youtu.be/V-3-OaoVLeA?t=47s[/url]
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@0:49 1 hit dropped me from 591 to 142 hp and my max hp is 712 - so I lose 449/712 hp with 1 hit from Merlin with no weak?
Influence has much more wis than Afro
I will also assume Bevan's gear is much better than Merlin's because I saw the beastly items he has.
In the above video - @Merlin says "bad times when you need zombie to drop a mage" - bad times indeed.. if anything should we not be discussing nerfing their con? =p[/quote]
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#12 2018/05/29 02:24:14 |
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DEIMOS |
Lol thanks for the shout out, 😂 but that was 1v1 as you said and it will also show I can do nothing without 4th staff up
Any class that is stopped attacking by being attacked while still receiving 25-30% damage each hit deserves the chance to one hit people more often than mates can Still never understood why mages can be interrupted when the damage dealt is usually around same % as they receive per hit (str classes dealing a LOT more) I'm not doubting that they do serious damage but the reasons why are because people choose not to use robes alongside the fact that proc jumps in at convenient times (already discussed why armours are used but the point still stands) I dont know bevan gear but merlin has/had some of the best gear I have seen ignoring the odd +8 parts one or two folk have My original point was they shouldn't be sitting ducks to a sword /most spear attacks with the 1hit an almost guarantee Bow does deal less damage but combined with the range and higher wis they have much better defenses against mage
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[quote="DEIMOS"]Lol thanks for the shout out, 😂 but that was 1v1 as you said and it will also show I can do nothing without 4th staff up
Any class that is stopped attacking by being attacked while still receiving 25-30% damage each hit deserves the chance to one hit people more often than mates can
Still never understood why mages can be interrupted when the damage dealt is usually around same % as they receive per hit (str classes dealing a LOT more)
I'm not doubting that they do serious damage but the reasons why are because people choose not to use robes alongside the fact that proc jumps in at convenient times (already discussed why armours are used but the point still stands)
I dont know bevan gear but merlin has/had some of the best gear I have seen ignoring the odd +8 parts one or two folk have
My original point was they shouldn't be sitting ducks to a sword /most spear attacks with the 1hit an almost guarantee
Bow does deal less damage but combined with the range and higher wis they have much better defenses against mage[/quote]
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#13 2018/05/29 07:35:23 |
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Lol so we’re going to make it impossible to 2 hit mages if you’re one of the 2 hardest hitting classes who have 1-2 range and almost definitely well/fully geared for dealing damage (or they wouldn’t drop), but we can still get 1 hit with proc by them? Sounds great, even better when mages run off screen, pre cast, 1 hit someone from range, survive to run off screen to rinse and repeat.
You guys either haven’t put much thought into what you’re suggesting, or you have an agenda. I’d be willing to bet it’s the latter, but who knows. :)
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[quote="MUSASJI"]Lol so we’re going to make it impossible to 2 hit mages if you’re one of the 2 hardest hitting classes who have 1-2 range and almost definitely well/fully geared for dealing damage (or they wouldn’t drop), but we can still get 1 hit with proc by them? Sounds great, even better when mages run off screen, pre cast, 1 hit someone from range, survive to run off screen to rinse and repeat.
You guys either haven’t put much thought into what you’re suggesting, or you have an agenda. I’d be willing to bet it’s the latter, but who knows. :)[/quote]
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#14 2018/05/29 10:08:04 |
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"MUSASJI"Lol so we’re going to make it impossible to 2 hit mages if you’re one of the 2 hardest hitting classes who have 1-2 range and almost definitely well/fully geared for dealing damage (or they wouldn’t drop), but we can still get 1 hit with proc by them? Sounds great, even better when mages run off screen, pre cast, 1 hit someone from range, survive to run off screen to rinse and repeat. Don't forget that mages uses feathers alot.. all they need is hit and feather which works like a charm. Maybe Deimos an axer wants to also tank on his mage?
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[quote="AFRO"][quote="MUSASJI"]Lol so we’re going to make it impossible to 2 hit mages if you’re one of the 2 hardest hitting classes who have 1-2 range and almost definitely well/fully geared for dealing damage (or they wouldn’t drop), but we can still get 1 hit with proc by them? Sounds great, even better when mages run off screen, pre cast, 1 hit someone from range, survive to run off screen to rinse and repeat.
You guys either haven’t put much thought into what you’re suggesting, or you have an agenda. I’d be willing to bet it’s the latter, but who knows. :)[/quote]
Don't forget that mages uses feathers alot.. all they need is hit and feather which works like a charm.
Maybe Deimos an axer wants to also tank on his mage?[/quote]
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