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ZELRIK |
Hey all
Had a quick google but all it seems is Axe this and bow that lol Is Spear Viable in Dsoma? Its not been made redundent now with the stat change? Cheers!! |
#1 2018/06/04 21:07:51 |
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ARYA_ |
Depends what you want to enjoy on the game, if you want to take part in PVP then archer is the most OP class, Axer has its qualities also depending on gear, spear is useful depending what setup you go for,events like ctf are great for spear users.
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#2 2018/06/04 21:21:44 |
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AFRO |
Spears are good for PVP but a lot of people opt in for archer or mage because of range or axer because of defense and stone aura.
I have always been bothered by the fact that Spears are supposed to hit hard / much harder than sword IMO but attack comparison of BT spear vs a SOD is laughable. Spears should be higher than sword but are much worse. Sword do deserve their 5th aura but if we're talking about spears, I think our 4th aura should have bigger impact than what it does now/I hardly ever see a 4th being used because 2nd is quicker to regain and damage comparison often looks exactly the same. I think at the very least if we get new weapon tier that spear attacks have better damage then this would be great and I am sure some of the spear users that have retired/moved on to another class would come back. Another 'idea' that requires no new weapon (for now) would be if spear users 4th aura (at least in dsoma) can slice through axers defense aura like it was not there - now that would be exciting. But that is just my POV. RVR Spear is really horrible as you spend all your time chasing humans that all have stone and can bang you with magic due to your lack of magic defense. "ARYA_"...events like ctf are great for spear users. Ignore the above point, CTF event has been created so your class/level makes no difference- you can attend CTF with a t bow naked as a mage and still do same impact as everyone else.
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[quote="AFRO"]Spears are good for PVP but a lot of people opt in for archer or mage because of range or axer because of defense and stone aura.
I have always been bothered by the fact that Spears are supposed to hit hard / much harder than sword IMO but attack comparison of BT spear vs a SOD is laughable. Spears should be higher than sword but are much worse.
Sword do deserve their 5th aura but if we're talking about spears, I think our 4th aura should have bigger impact than what it does now/I hardly ever see a 4th being used because 2nd is quicker to regain and damage comparison often looks exactly the same.
I think at the very least if we get new weapon tier that spear attacks have better damage then this would be great and I am sure some of the spear users that have retired/moved on to another class would come back.
Another 'idea' that requires no new weapon (for now) would be if spear users 4th aura (at least in dsoma) can slice through axers defense aura like it was not there - now that would be exciting.
But that is just my POV.
RVR Spear is really horrible as you spend all your time chasing humans that all have stone and can bang you with magic due to your lack of magic defense.
[quote="ARYA_"]...events like ctf are great for spear users.[/quote]
Ignore the above point, CTF event has been created so your class/level makes no difference- you can attend CTF with a t bow naked as a mage and still do same impact as everyone else.[/quote]
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#3 2018/06/05 01:43:31 |
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ARYA_ |
was a personal experience comment, I find spear easier at ctf as when using a bow you always try hit at a further distance but a spear you try get closer but still have range 2
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#4 2018/06/05 06:13:08 |
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AFRO |
"ARYA_"was a personal experience comment, I find spear easier at ctf as when using a bow you always try hit at a further distance but a spear you try get closer but still have range 2 The point is if you prefer using a spear for CTF then you can equip a t spear at any class and attend CTF and make same impact. Being an actual spear user doesnt give you any true advantage for this event.
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[quote="AFRO"][quote="ARYA_"]was a personal experience comment, I find spear easier at ctf as when using a bow you always try hit at a further distance but a spear you try get closer but still have range 2[/quote]
The point is if you prefer using a spear for CTF then you can equip a t spear at any class and attend CTF and make same impact.
Being an actual spear user doesnt give you any true advantage for this event. [/quote]
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#5 2018/06/05 09:04:06 |
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DOFLAMINGO |
I'd say no, not really any more. You can still do your bit... but if I could I would choose a different class.
It's supposed to be the slowest, hardest hitting class with purely offensive auras and gear (no shield). It's still the slowest by far but damage nerf since patch has made it tedious to play considering you're defensively weak by design.
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[quote="DOFLAMINGO"]I'd say no, not really any more. You can still do your bit... but if I could I would choose a different class.
It's supposed to be the slowest, hardest hitting class with purely offensive auras and gear (no shield). It's still the slowest by far but damage nerf since patch has made it tedious to play considering you're defensively weak by design.[/quote]
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#6 2018/06/05 09:42:51 |
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ZELRIK |
"DOFLAMINGO"I'd say no, not really any more. You can still do your bit... but if I could I would choose a different class. Would you say sword is also on the same level? Where that's also no longer viable and only bow and axe is?
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[quote="ZELRIK"][quote="DOFLAMINGO"]I'd say no, not really any more. You can still do your bit... but if I could I would choose a different class.
It's supposed to be the slowest, hardest hitting class with purely offensive auras and gear (no shield). It's still the slowest by far but damage nerf since patch has made it tedious to play considering you're defensively weak by design.[/quote]
Would you say sword is also on the same level? Where that's also no longer viable and only bow and axe is?[/quote]
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#7 2018/06/05 09:46:14 |
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MUSASJI |
As a swordie myself I would say we’re a little more viable thanks to 5th. However we don’t have it that great due to range 1, fairly low con, average wis, intense SoM’s are gold dust and everyone’s dex being closer post-patch.
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#8 2018/06/05 09:58:52 |
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DOFLAMINGO |
You could argue sword hasn't got it great atm either... perhaps saved by it's big 5th aura and ability to wear a shield with a faster wep. I'd go for sword over spear though - they end up with very similar attack, more dex and can wear omni without sacrificing spec points for it.
Here's capped stats if you spec for melee: Spear 240str 180dex 235con 99wis Sword 229str 185dex 229con 111wis You'll do better dps as a swordie. Ultimately it depends on how you like to play.
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[quote="DOFLAMINGO"]You could argue sword hasn't got it great atm either... perhaps saved by it's big 5th aura and ability to wear a shield with a faster wep. I'd go for sword over spear though - they end up with very similar attack, more dex and can wear omni without sacrificing spec points for it.
Here's capped stats if you spec for melee:
Spear 240str 180dex 235con 99wis
Sword 229str 185dex 229con 111wis
You'll do better dps as a swordie.
Ultimately it depends on how you like to play.[/quote]
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#9 2018/06/05 10:23:30 |
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AFRO |
240 str vs 229 str more than evens out when swords have bigger attack on them than spear.
This is the physical attack of 2 capped spear/sword naked/just wearing an intense BT/SOD Spear: 437-518 (IIRC the spear here had very good max but low min) Sword: 436-519 I don't think you should not consider Spear - I just think Spear need to be viable again and would hope that some of my above suggestions can be taken into consideration.
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[quote="AFRO"]240 str vs 229 str more than evens out when swords have bigger attack on them than spear.
This is the physical attack of 2 capped spear/sword naked/just wearing an intense BT/SOD
Spear: 437-518 (IIRC the spear here had very good max but low min)
Sword: 436-519
I don't think you should not consider Spear - I just think Spear need to be viable again and would hope that some of my above suggestions can be taken into consideration.[/quote]
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#10 2018/06/05 10:39:37 |
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ZELRIK |
"AFRO"240 str vs 229 str more than evens out when swords have bigger attack on them than spear. So based on that Spear and Sword are pretty much on par? Only difference i can really see then is when the going gets tough the Sword can use a sword where as the spear obviously can not. Unless there is something else that really splits them. Spear has 2nd and Sword as 5th which are there attacking auras Both in theory have HP recovery auras.. Spear 3rd/5th and Sword 2nd "DOFLAMINGO"You could argue sword hasn't got it great atm either... perhaps saved by it's big 5th aura and ability to wear a shield with a faster wep. I'd go for sword over spear though - they end up with very similar attack, more dex and can wear omni without sacrificing spec points for it. You dont happen to know Axers/Archer/Knuckle capped stats do you?
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[quote="ZELRIK"][quote="AFRO"]240 str vs 229 str more than evens out when swords have bigger attack on them than spear.
This is the physical attack of 2 capped spear/sword naked/just wearing an intense BT/SOD
Spear: 437-518 (IIRC the spear here had very good max but low min)
Sword: 436-519
I don't think you should not consider Spear - I just think Spear need to be viable again and would hope that some of my above suggestions can be taken into consideration.[/quote]
So based on that Spear and Sword are pretty much on par?
Only difference i can really see then is when the going gets tough the Sword can use a sword where as the spear obviously can not.
Unless there is something else that really splits them. Spear has 2nd and Sword as 5th which are there attacking auras
Both in theory have HP recovery auras.. Spear 3rd/5th and Sword 2nd
[quote="DOFLAMINGO"]You could argue sword hasn't got it great atm either... perhaps saved by it's big 5th aura and ability to wear a shield with a faster wep. I'd go for sword over spear though - they end up with very similar attack, more dex and can wear omni without sacrificing spec points for it.
Here's capped stats if you spec for melee:
Spear 240str 180dex 235con 99wis
Sword 229str 185dex 229con 111wis
You'll do better dps as a swordie.
Ultimately it depends on how you like to play.[/quote]
You dont happen to know Axers/Archer/Knuckle capped stats do you?
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#11 2018/06/05 13:27:59 |
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DEIMOS |
Just to throw in - axe is only viable if you want to tank people and be a team player, it isn't attacking enough (lowest dex and no attacking aura) to pk solo, its biggest threat is 5th aura which requires others that can actually hit targets to kill anyone
And it will only tank well if you have a proper defensive set with 1h + shield This is enough for a lot of people as they have a purpose, Spear and sword are strong attackers imo but both rather squishy without going the same route in armour as axers do Bow is solid every which way Nuk is underpowered
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[quote="DEIMOS"]Just to throw in - axe is only viable if you want to tank people and be a team player, it isn't attacking enough (lowest dex and no attacking aura) to pk solo, its biggest threat is 5th aura which requires others that can actually hit targets to kill anyone
And it will only tank well if you have a proper defensive set with 1h + shield
This is enough for a lot of people as they have a purpose,
Spear and sword are strong attackers imo but both rather squishy without going the same route in armour as axers do
Bow is solid every which way
Nuk is underpowered[/quote]
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#12 2018/06/05 13:28:15 |
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DEIMOS |
Axe is 251 str 240 con 175 dex(I think may be lower)
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#13 2018/06/05 13:30:09 |
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JAHEIRA |
I agree with all the other spear users, I'm having to swop to accucy gear to fight the Dex class's, tho still dont hit enough
Tho I will add that more levels (cap raise) will swing back into str class's favor, once the str difference is big enough , tho another 10 may not be enough
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[quote="JAHEIRA"]I agree with all the other spear users, I'm having to swop to accucy gear to fight the Dex class's, tho still dont hit enough
Tho I will add that more levels (cap raise) will swing back into str class's favor, once the str difference is big enough , tho another 10 may not be enough[/quote]
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#14 2018/06/07 18:49:12 |
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ARYA_ |
Knuckle is 224str and con 194dex, 110 wis
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#15 2018/06/07 19:54:05 |
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