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"OPENTHEDOOR"That's fine. They seem good logical changes. But so is what I am trying to say... Sorry Door, but I think you've misinterpreted the title of the thread to be about balancing devils in respect to humans; like Ghost said, the focus is actually more around balancing the stats and classes within devil soma. There are a number of WotW threads which I think would be much more relevant to your points.
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[quote="HOJO"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]That's fine. They seem good logical changes. But so is what I am trying to say...[/quote]
Sorry Door, but I think you've misinterpreted the title of the thread to be about balancing devils in respect to humans; like Ghost said, the focus is actually more around balancing the stats and classes within devil soma. There are a number of WotW threads which I think would be much more relevant to your points.[/quote]
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#76 2014/04/15 11:18:20 |
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OPENTHEDOOR |
I don't what to give exact figures, but I am 100+
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#77 2014/04/15 11:45:49 |
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OPENTHEDOOR |
Appreciate it might not be the most accurate thread, but ghost is active in this thread. And most of the other WotW threads just turn into slagging matches or are seemingly ignored!
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#78 2014/04/15 11:47:03 |
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S0RCERER |
What Devils are you failing to hit, seeing as you said you can't hit anyone despite having (above) 100 dex and full accuracy set.
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#79 2014/04/15 12:27:09 |
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OPENTHEDOOR |
At the last war,
Anyone who was a stone holder and pretty much every devil who was melee attacking me, bow, knuck and sword . Only saw one axer in svan and was never really near him, and I didn't see a spear user. |
#80 2014/04/15 12:48:16 |
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TOLIC |
I do struggle to hit any melee devil and most of the time target the mages as I seem to hit them a lot more,
I see were opens coming from, its just gonna turn into humans only choice is to use int |
#81 2014/04/15 12:53:46 |
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BRADLEY_COLE |
i like this Idea ISylver.
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#82 2014/04/15 12:55:27 |
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KROSIX |
"BRADLEY_COLE"i like this Idea ISylver. + 1 |
#83 2014/04/15 13:01:19 |
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CARNAGE |
Is it so hard to keep a thread on topic, just sayin'. Not agreeing or disagreeing with the wotw posts I just think it's off topic and about to derail the thread from the actual purpose.
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#84 2014/04/15 13:03:59 |
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EVILACE |
"S0RCERER"What Devils are you failing to hit, seeing as you said you can't hit anyone despite having (above) 100 dex and full accuracy set. +1 Exaggeration I feel. |
#85 2014/04/15 13:08:38 |
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Definatly a good change for devil MD, as a human my int can have 40 more md and me being only able to use spells this is a game changer that is much needed for dsoma mages to survive as for the str changing to defence is pretty minor to us mages, my gap has been 4 between str/con for a long time now ( con being 4 ahead so only a loss of 4 defence)
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[quote="MONSTER"]Definatly a good change for devil MD, as a human my int can have 40 more md and me being only able to use spells this is a game changer that is much needed for dsoma mages to survive as for the str changing to defence is pretty minor to us mages, my gap has been 4 between str/con for a long time now ( con being 4 ahead so only a loss of 4 defence)[/quote]
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#86 2014/04/15 16:57:11 |
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"GHOSTLORD"In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. again with this archers being rich it comes from minos and them dropping fuck all has nothing to do with pot useage my sword is 60+ hasnt used a single pot since 2nd aura and she not swimming in the money if you get what i mean.
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[quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. [/quote]
again with this archers being rich it comes from minos and them dropping fuck all has nothing to do with pot useage my sword is 60+ hasnt used a single pot since 2nd aura and she not swimming in the money if you get what i mean.
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#87 2014/04/15 18:02:23 |
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"ILOVECAWK""GHOSTLORD"In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. Rich is relative. Let's set up a theoretical situation: An axe, with the least dex and defence currently could make a loss of 100k per hunt Spear -90k Sword -60k Knuckle -30K Highest defence, highest dex curently + range to pull single mobs Bow -10K Even if the archer would have a negative balance of -100 million, he'll still be richer than an axer. Of course you can smart hunt and only pull single mobs, or use 2nd sword, 3rd spear.. but this'll greatly reduce your lvling speed and are generally not liked let alone used. Whereas bow doesn't have to pull any special tricks to always hunt efficiently without reducing lvling speed at all or only slightly. Quite simply put if you level each character in a regular way without keeping barr in mind the character with the most barr will be the archer. Therefor archers are generally the richest.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. [/quote]
again with this archers being rich it comes from minos and them dropping fuck all has nothing to do with pot useage my sword is 60+ hasnt used a single pot since 2nd aura and she not swimming in the money if you get what i mean.
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Rich is relative.
Let's set up a theoretical situation:
An axe, with the least dex and defence currently could make a loss of 100k per hunt
Spear -90k
Sword -60k
Knuckle -30K
Highest defence, highest dex curently + range to pull single mobs Bow -10K
Even if the archer would have a negative balance of -100 million, he'll still be richer than an axer.
Of course you can smart hunt and only pull single mobs, or use 2nd sword, 3rd spear.. but this'll greatly reduce your lvling speed and are generally not liked let alone used. Whereas bow doesn't have to pull any special tricks to always hunt efficiently without reducing lvling speed at all or only slightly.
Quite simply put if you level each character in a regular way without keeping barr in mind the character with the most barr will be the archer. Therefor archers are generally the richest.[/quote]
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#88 2014/04/15 18:10:58 |
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"GHOSTLORD""ILOVECAWK""GHOSTLORD"In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. i don't get this axers having the least deffence? im archer and svanhild axe he has 20+ str more than me at the same level and more con and can use a shield and 2nd axe aura they have beast deffence.... yes when i get same str as him i will have more con but axe str is very high so no chance catching
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[quote="PROMETHEUS"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="ILOVECAWK"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]In terms of hunting this should decrease the inbalance of how much money each class makes. Archers would still be one of the best earners, they just have to use a few more pots when they get hit. For axers and spear users this means they don't have to go through great lengths to hunt as efficiently (read: cheap) as possible. [/quote]
again with this archers being rich it comes from minos and them dropping fuck all has nothing to do with pot useage my sword is 60+ hasnt used a single pot since 2nd aura and she not swimming in the money if you get what i mean.
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Rich is relative.
Let's set up a theoretical situation:
An axe, with the [b]least[/b] dex and [b]defence[/b] currently could make a loss of 100k per hunt
Spear -90k
Sword -60k
Knuckle -30K
Highest defence, highest dex curently + range to pull single mobs Bow -10K
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i don't get this axers having the least deffence? im archer and svanhild axe he has 20+ str more than me at the same level and more con and can use a shield and 2nd axe aura they have beast deffence.... yes when i get same str as him i will have more con but axe str is very high so no chance catching[/quote]
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#89 2014/04/16 17:19:33 |
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"PROMETHEUS" Because axers have the highest STR ingame they have to move mobs the earliest, as all melee gains are based on STR. This means axers face mobs which not only hit more often but also hit harder. Level doesn't really matter as everything is stat based. Archers always have higher CON than STR, which means they will have more defence vs a mob by default. The 20 str Svan has more will also mean he's 20 str ahead of you in his lvling career. It's a shame DEX is bugged at higher numbers otherwise I'd propose changing the main stat of knuckles and bow users to DEX rather than STR.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="PROMETHEUS"]
i don't get this axers having the least deffence? im archer and svanhild axe he has 20+ str more than me at the same level and more con and can use a shield and 2nd axe aura they have beast deffence.... yes when i get same str as him i will have more con but axe str is very high so no chance catching[/quote]
Because axers have the highest STR ingame they have to move mobs the earliest, as all melee gains are based on STR. This means axers face mobs which not only hit more often but also hit harder. Level doesn't really matter as everything is stat based.
Archers always have higher CON than STR, which means they will have more defence vs a mob by default. The 20 str Svan has more will also mean he's 20 str ahead of you in his lvling career.
It's a shame DEX is bugged at higher numbers otherwise I'd propose changing the main stat of knuckles and bow users to DEX rather than STR.[/quote]
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#90 2014/04/16 17:28:04 |
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