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"PROWLER"Roch, Well, i use knuckle as a primary weapon and have 95 int - I'm quite able to take down around 150 standard mags in a single pot run with no healing and not the finest gear (+1 armours and a +5 mediocre Pan). Picking up the mag daily allows me to never need to run to mags as i have a constant source of Palus TP's so having to go to town to re-pot is a bit of a non issue. I'm sure when i get like 200+ str, a reasonable dex increase and an improvement in gear i'll be able to do the same for elders. Obviously it would be easier for me for mags not to use any magic attacks but i don't find it that prohibitive. I just don't think its that bad.
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[quote="ROCH"][quote="PROWLER"]Roch,
The problem is that "Range 1" magic attack has prevented (low int) melee from ever hunting them. That's fine if you say that is your choice with character build BUT the mobs are end game farming mobs with hugely generous drop files and drop rates.
It wasn't "fine" with just Magmas (pre-Elders) but we all had to accept it.
Now that Elders exist it deepens the imbalance with Mages able to farm Nega weapons and and low int chars unable to.
If you are worried about Range 1 melee "just sitting there and camping" then increase the Range 1 melee attack (which doesn't affect mages).
It's a pity the Range 1 magic attack cannot be turned off ... either we have to live with the ever increasing chasm of imbalance or please remove the Elders and limit the drop rate of normal Magmas to the same as those wasp things or Hellish trolls.[/quote]
Well, i use knuckle as a primary weapon and have 95 int - I'm quite able to take down around 150 standard mags in a single pot run with no healing and not the finest gear (+1 armours and a +5 mediocre Pan).
Picking up the mag daily allows me to never need to run to mags as i have a constant source of Palus TP's so having to go to town to re-pot is a bit of a non issue.
I'm sure when i get like 200+ str, a reasonable dex increase and an improvement in gear i'll be able to do the same for elders.
Obviously it would be easier for me for mags not to use any magic attacks but i don't find it that prohibitive. I just don't think its that bad.[/quote]
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#31 2019/12/01 21:00:46 |
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@ Perish
Yes, and I accept the prophecy of the "Magmas". Since then their drop file has been added to and now we have Elders Magmas. Am I to also "accept" everything else that comes afterwards that favours "some" players and puts my character at a disadvantage? What about all the other "low int" characters? It's not about "me", it's about game imbalance. All that is being asked is a level opportunity to farm them ..... no one is asking for an advantage. Fair enough?
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[quote="PROWLER"]@ Perish
Yes, and I accept the prophecy of the "Magmas".
Since then their drop file has been added to and now we have Elders Magmas.
Am I to also "accept" everything else that comes afterwards that favours "some" players and puts my character at a disadvantage?
What about all the other "low int" characters? It's not about "me", it's about game imbalance.
All that is being asked is a level opportunity to farm them ..... no one is asking for an advantage.
Fair enough?[/quote]
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#32 2019/12/01 21:00:46 |
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"ROCH" I don't have anything like that amount of INT nor can I wear even partly decent mage armour. I am not alone, there are a good number of people with low int in the same boat. It IS that bad when you don't have the necessary INT and lack the ability to don defence gear.
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[quote="PROWLER"][quote="ROCH"]
Well, i use knuckle as a primary weapon and have 95 int - I'm quite able to take down around 150 standard mags in a single pot run with no healing and not the finest gear .......... I just don't think its that bad.[/quote]
I don't have anything like that amount of INT nor can I wear even partly decent mage armour. I am not alone, there are a good number of people with low int in the same boat.
It IS that bad when you don't have the necessary INT and lack the ability to don defence gear.
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#33 2019/12/01 21:04:31 |
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I posted it before, here it is again for comparison;
14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots) 26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots) 16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots) 13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots) 16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots) 28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots) 2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots)
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[quote="PROWLER"]I posted it before, here it is again for comparison;
14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots)
26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots)
16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots)
13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots)
16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots)
28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots)
2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots)[/quote]
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#34 2019/12/01 21:06:24 |
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"PROWLER""ROCH" Well you could get that int if you wanted to heal for it - not that it makes a huge difference anyways in terms of damage mitigation. If you had 30 int less, you take an extra 30 damage - nothing to write home about. Anyways, you cant cater for every eventuality - If someone wanted to do pure axe and wound up capping str with 100 dex and flat out refused to do int for RP reasons or whatever - can you cater for that? what do you do? drop mag defensive dex to 10 so that no-one ever misses? Everyone knows mags have a magic attack, you either plan for it or work around it. Have you tried +5 slow accessories? if you haven't then you've not tried properly. Even hit and running with a good bow would melt them I'm certain, with the extremely high hit rate you'd have. Even a moderately decent knuckle can absolutely toast mags.
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[quote="ROCH"][quote="PROWLER"][quote="ROCH"]
Well, i use knuckle as a primary weapon and have 95 int - I'm quite able to take down around 150 standard mags in a single pot run with no healing and not the finest gear .......... I just don't think its that bad.[/quote]
I don't have anything like that amount of INT nor can I wear even partly decent mage armour. I am not alone, there are a good number of people with low int in the same boat.
It IS that bad when you don't have the necessary INT and lack the ability to don defence gear.
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Well you could get that int if you wanted to heal for it - not that it makes a huge difference anyways in terms of damage mitigation. If you had 30 int less, you take an extra 30 damage - nothing to write home about.
Anyways, you cant cater for every eventuality - If someone wanted to do pure axe and wound up capping str with 100 dex and flat out refused to do int for RP reasons or whatever - can you cater for that? what do you do? drop mag defensive dex to 10 so that no-one ever misses?
Everyone knows mags have a magic attack, you either plan for it or work around it. Have you tried +5 slow accessories? if you haven't then you've not tried properly. Even hit and running with a good bow would melt them I'm certain, with the extremely high hit rate you'd have. Even a moderately decent knuckle can absolutely toast mags.[/quote]
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#35 2019/12/01 21:12:12 |
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Roch,
Sorry bud, you have missed the point completely. 8( Jac/Prowler |
#36 2019/12/01 21:19:04 |
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ROCH |
"PROWLER"Roch, I don't think i did. You must be saying, from your statistics, that the magic is so prohibitively devastating, that you are unable to hunt mags efficiently. Firstly, i don't know how you kill <1 mag a minute. Seeing as you have totally forgone int training, you must have some fairly spectacular Dex and Str no? Secondly, 330 hp pots is 2 pot runs is it not? So a full bag of pots lasts you an hour then? Hardly melting you. I'm not trying to wind you up here Jac, honestly. I think you're a good guy. What am i missing here?
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[quote="ROCH"][quote="PROWLER"]Roch,
Sorry bud, you have missed the point completely.
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Jac/Prowler[/quote]
I don't think i did. You must be saying, from your statistics, that the magic is so prohibitively devastating, that you are unable to hunt mags efficiently.
Firstly, i don't know how you kill <1 mag a minute. Seeing as you have totally forgone int training, you must have some fairly spectacular Dex and Str no?
Secondly, 330 hp pots is 2 pot runs is it not? So a full bag of pots lasts you an hour then? Hardly melting you.
I'm not trying to wind you up here Jac, honestly. I think you're a good guy. What am i missing here? [/quote]
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#37 2019/12/01 21:31:53 |
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Getting a bit fed up of this constant whinging. You can hit n run Elder Mags like the old days and they die quick in 150 Str or so.
Adapt fgs and stop the crying. Now you want a mob that drops Horned Bows etc that hurts you like a Spider Whelp melee and like a Druid Int. Shut the fuk up already any class can do these average stats. I have 160 Str hit n run and kill in 4 moves using hit n run. Yes people use Knux Spear but u don't get exp anyway so if u have low int and 150+ Str put a fkin bow on in Freemode and hit n run the things and stop being so lazy. Jesus you whingers. Most people doing them sacrifice levelling or are capped. They ARE an end game mob. If you wanna lvl do BLG that also drop lovely now.
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[quote="SUPERGIRL"]Getting a bit fed up of this constant whinging. You can hit n run Elder Mags like the old days and they die quick in 150 Str or so.
Adapt fgs and stop the crying.
Now you want a mob that drops Horned Bows etc that hurts you like a Spider Whelp melee and like a Druid Int.
Shut the fuk up already any class can do these average stats.
I have 160 Str hit n run and kill in 4 moves using hit n run.
Yes people use Knux Spear but u don't get exp anyway so if u have low int and 150+ Str put a fkin bow on in Freemode and hit n run the things and stop being so lazy.
Jesus you whingers.
Most people doing them sacrifice levelling or are capped. They ARE an end game mob.
If you wanna lvl do BLG that also drop lovely now.[/quote]
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#38 2019/12/01 21:56:03 |
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"ROCH" Several reasons; 1) As a “knux” I have to lure them away one by one. This takes time – running up to them in range and then running away to “pull them”. It frequently causes more than one to come…. 2) As a “knux” you cannot control Magus so you have to spend more time trying to kill the Magma as the Magus is healing. If you try to kill the magus, the magma sticks you with INT and you die. 3) Whelps kill you as well as the magma you are attacking so the magma death doesn’t count 4) It was 2+ pot runs (hit the 100 kills after warping twice) "ROCH" DEX, so STR is also low. I am one of many that went this route. Low INT and low STR means they take longer to kill and you get bum raped. "ROCH" How long does it take an average mage to kill 100? "ROCH" This; [b] The problem is that "Range 1" magic attack has prevented (low int) melee from ever hunting them. That's fine if you say that is your choice with character build BUT the mobs are end game farming mobs with hugely generous drop files and drop rates. It wasn't "fine" with just Magmas (pre-Elders) but we all had to accept it. Now that Elders exist it deepens the imbalance with Mages able to farm Nega weapons and and low int chars unable to. [/b] I know you are not trying to wind me up, I wish I was able to explain better and I am sorry I am not managing to communicate very well.
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[quote="PROWLER"][quote="ROCH"]
Firstly, i don't know how you kill <1 mag a minute.[/quote]
Several reasons;
1) As a “knux” I have to lure them away one by one. This takes time – running up to them in range and then running away to “pull them”. It frequently causes more than one to come….
2) As a “knux” you cannot control Magus so you have to spend more time trying to kill the Magma as the Magus is healing. If you try to kill the magus, the magma sticks you with INT and you die.
3) Whelps kill you as well as the magma you are attacking so the magma death doesn’t count
4) It was 2+ pot runs (hit the 100 kills after warping twice)
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Seeing as you have totally forgone int training, you must have some fairly spectacular Dex and Str no?[/quote]
DEX, so STR is also low. I am one of many that went this route. Low INT and low STR means they take longer to kill and you get bum raped.
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Secondly, 330 hp pots is 2 pot runs is it not? So a full bag of pots lasts you an hour then? Hardly melting you.[/quote]
How long does it take an average mage to kill 100?
[quote="ROCH"]
I'm not trying to wind you up here Jac, honestly. I think you're a good guy. What am i missing here? [/quote]
This;
[b] The problem is that "Range 1" magic attack has prevented (low int) melee from ever hunting them. That's fine if you say that is your choice with character build BUT the mobs are end game farming mobs with hugely generous drop files and drop rates.
It wasn't "fine" with just Magmas (pre-Elders) but we all had to accept it.
Now that Elders exist it deepens the imbalance with Mages able to farm Nega weapons and and low int chars unable to. [/b]
I know you are not trying to wind me up, I wish I was able to explain better and I am sorry I am not managing to communicate very well.
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#39 2019/12/01 22:39:24 |
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"SUPERGIRL"Getting a bit fed up of this constant whinging. You can hit n run Elder Mags like the old days and they die quick in 150 Str or so. This pass you by Prowler? Oh and I farm Elder mags with 35.2 Int.
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[quote="SUPERGIRL"][quote="SUPERGIRL"]Getting a bit fed up of this constant whinging. You can hit n run Elder Mags like the old days and they die quick in 150 Str or so.
Adapt fgs and stop the crying.
Now you want a mob that drops Horned Bows etc that hurts you like a Spider Whelp melee and like a Druid Int.
Shut the fuk up already any class can do these average stats.
I have 160 Str hit n run and kill in 4 moves using hit n run.
Yes people use Knux Spear but u don't get exp anyway so if u have low int and 150+ Str put a fkin bow on in Freemode and hit n run the things and stop being so lazy.
Jesus you whingers.
Most people doing them sacrifice levelling or are capped. They ARE an end game mob.
If you wanna lvl do BLG that also drop lovely now.[/quote]
This pass you by Prowler?
Oh and I farm Elder mags with 35.2 Int.[/quote]
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#40 2019/12/01 22:48:15 |
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The fairest solution to deal with all the different types of builds for both races would be to simply have 1 melee end game farming mob and 1 int end game farming mob?
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"RAVENSOUL"The fairest solution to deal with all the different types of builds for both races would be to simply have 1 melee end game farming mob and 1 int end game farming mob? Fair point and agree both with the same drop file. Good point. If I can do Elder Mags quickly with 35 Int though anyone can. If your idea is implemented then remove Int attack from Elder Mags and any Melee attack from the Int top end mob. The way to go if people still not happy lol? My old point though? Want a top end mob to hurt like a Spider Whelp/Druid? Expect it to hurt you one way or another. As for any class to say they can't hunt any mob is ludicrous (not talking bosses). Int is the only thing you can kinda do without excluding bosses. Funny seeing some of my bows miss with 160+ Dex on a mob with no acc. gear on bar ROKs granted and using a far from capped char yet they still die quickly. ^^
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[quote="LANNOSEA"][quote="RAVENSOUL"]The fairest solution to deal with all the different types of builds for both races would be to simply have 1 melee end game farming mob and 1 int end game farming mob?[/quote]
Fair point and agree both with the same drop file. Good point.
If I can do Elder Mags quickly with 35 Int though anyone can.
If your idea is implemented then remove Int attack from Elder Mags and any Melee attack from the Int top end mob.
The way to go if people still not happy lol?
My old point though?
Want a top end mob to hurt like a Spider Whelp/Druid?
Expect it to hurt you one way or another.
As for any class to say they can't hunt any mob is ludicrous (not talking bosses).
Int is the only thing you can kinda do without excluding bosses.
Funny seeing some of my bows miss with 160+ Dex on a mob with no acc. gear on bar ROKs granted and using a far from capped char yet they still die quickly. ^^
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#42 2019/12/01 23:06:38 |
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76 int here and I really don't get why you struggle Jac. They hurt cos they are an end game farming mob.
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#43 2019/12/02 00:45:20 |
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"LANNOSEA" ...if you can do Elder Mags quickly with 35 Int though anyone can. Yes, of course they can be done. It's anything but "quick" though. How long would it take such a person to kill 100? How many pots (or extra time healing)? How many times does such a person die running into whelps or other magmas? How does that compare to a mage killing 100? Again, here are some comparisons .... 14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots) 26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots) 16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots) 13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots) 16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots) 28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots) 2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots) And, again, it's not about me. I am not the OP and this is the third such thread started by different people. Ravensoul's suggestion is perfectly reasonable.
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[quote="PROWLER"][quote="LANNOSEA"] ...if you can do Elder Mags quickly with 35 Int though anyone can.
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Yes, of course they can be done. It's anything but "quick" though.
How long would it take such a person to kill 100? How many pots (or extra time healing)? How many times does such a person die running into whelps or other magmas? How does that compare to a mage killing 100?
Again, here are some comparisons ....
14mins 30secs 100kills x Leiver Beasts (0 HP Pots)
26mins 40secs 100kills x Elite Lizardmen (0 HP Pots)
16mins 40secs 100kills x Drazil (0 HP Pots)
13mins 50secs 100kills x Beast Lord Guardians (0 HP Pots)
16mins 30secs 100kills x Enraged Boars (0 HP Pots)
28mins 20secs 100kills x Hellish Trolls (0 HP Pots)
2hrs 10mins 100kills x Magma Beast (330 HP Pots)
And, again, it's not about me. I am not the OP and this is the third such thread started by different people.
Ravensoul's suggestion is perfectly reasonable.
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#44 2019/12/02 07:25:38 |
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Or hunt with someone and share drops? Lol at you comparing mobs u have 99% eva on lvling a new char is ez now make 1 with 150 int 140 dex 220 str and hunt mags in nm gear ez mode
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