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Gorshak weapons dont make sense...
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_SEPHIROTH_ |
"GHOSTLORD" Ok sorry I said 'shit' but I don't think simply saying we can't compare auras because there 'situational' is helpful and just seems like your shutting out that line of discussion. "GHOSTLORD"Each class / weapon can only use 1 aura at a time. I don't see the point in listing which ones you can chose per class. In the end it's all situational... Also.. Trace? 0o Since when is that useful in any real situations. Yes but sword is a 1 aura class, no matter what situation/scenario your in you only have 1 option. Yes it does nice damage to people that have never seen a BLG but against your strength peers, from my experience it just looked like a extra sword hit worth of damage. Use it against someone your strength using 2nd axe aura and you'll wonder if your sword broke on the previous hit.
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[quote="_SEPHIROTH_"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]
I like this thread and I liked reading the feedback. However just because you don't agree with an item or don' t see it the same way as us doesn't mean an item is 'shit'. Especialy when I don't see any official arguments against sword in particular.[/quote]
Ok sorry I said 'shit' but I don't think simply saying we can't compare auras because there 'situational' is helpful and just seems like your shutting out that line of discussion.
[quote="GHOSTLORD"]Each class / weapon can only use 1 aura at a time. I don't see the point in listing which ones you can chose per class. In the end it's all situational... Also.. Trace? 0o Since when is that useful in any real situations.[/quote]
Yes but sword is a 1 aura class, no matter what situation/scenario your in you only have 1 option.
Yes it does nice damage to people that have never seen a BLG but against your strength peers, from my experience it just looked like a extra sword hit worth of damage.
Use it against someone your strength using 2nd axe aura and you'll wonder if your sword broke on the previous hit.[/quote]
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#61 2014/07/18 13:29:02 |
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QUIMM |
I don't think people are taking into account how att scales vs df. Two people with 120 str will do more damage to each other than two with 85 str.
I have always thought two handed swords should atleast drop base as a fast E so that any tags are almost certain to drop as D.
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[quote="QUIMM"]I don't think people are taking into account how att scales vs df. Two people with 120 str will do more damage to each other than two with 85 str.
I have always thought two handed swords should atleast drop base as a fast E so that any tags are almost certain to drop as D. [/quote]
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#62 2014/07/18 21:15:12 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"_SEPHIROTH_" If you upgrade sword 5th make it pve only, 5th already owns for levelling Edit -_-
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="_SEPHIROTH_"]
Yes but sword is a 1 aura class, no matter what situation/scenario your in you only have 1 option.
Yes it does nice damage to people that have never seen a BLG but against your strength peers, from my experience it just looked like a extra sword hit worth of damage.
Use it against someone your strength using 2nd axe aura and you'll wonder if your sword broke on the previous hit.[/quote]
If you upgrade sword 5th make it pve only, 5th already owns for levelling
Edit -_-[/quote]
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#63 2014/07/18 21:22:07 |
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HEISENBERG |
Dam it, Yoshi is using the Chewbaca defence
 Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that DOES NOT MAKE SENSE
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[quote="HEISENBERG"]Dam it, Yoshi is using the Chewbaca defence
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WwuuFlhlZSg/TONscXO1XgI/AAAAAAAAAM8/EfLEorEhAe4/s320/chewbacca_defense.jpg[/img]
Ladies and gentlemen, this is Chewbacca. Chewbacca is a Wookiee from the planet Kashyyyk. But Chewbacca lives on the planet Endor. Now think about it; that DOES NOT MAKE SENSE[/quote]
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#64 2014/07/18 21:32:02 |
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_SEPHIROTH_ |
Aw fuck, NOTHING beats the chewbacca defence!
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#65 2014/07/18 22:00:16 |
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GHOSTLORD |
"ZYZZ" I completely agree with this part. As for the rest, when we made these weapons quite some time ago at that point sword was still used quite a lot. What we should monitor is - the amount of weapons used based on the hsoma usercount (preferably through the database or by simply watching ingame/forums). However, this takes time and as such we'll have to ask you to be patient. This thread is full of good stuff and I can assure you player voices will not go unheard.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="ZYZZ"]
Not against changes to sword however we haven't seen anything decent drop in terms of the sword coupled with a 5th aura on someone, currently Horus still has the best ripper ingame attack wise (I think) and he still does damage.
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I completely agree with this part.
As for the rest, when we made these weapons quite some time ago at that point sword was still used quite a lot. What we should monitor is - the amount of weapons used based on the hsoma usercount (preferably through the database or by simply watching ingame/forums). However, this takes time and as such we'll have to ask you to be patient.
This thread is full of good stuff and I can assure you player voices will not go unheard.[/quote]
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#66 2014/07/19 09:03:32 |
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SKATT420 |
Buff all 2h sword to D and 1h sword to 950( maybe only snake bite) to compete with Knux ,4th aura buff with less cooldown
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#67 2014/07/19 09:38:41 |
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HOHOHO |
"SICKK""S0RCERER"If comparing bsb to ripper, surely compare pan claw to raptor knuck. Apus untagged 26-40 / Pxbow 36-50 10-10 added, even the bow has more added attack to it than the sword..... range 7 vs range 1 ¬_¬
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[quote="HOHOHO"][quote="SICKK"][quote="S0RCERER"]If comparing bsb to ripper, surely compare pan claw to raptor knuck. [/quote]
qft
27-29 800 recoil is a untagged Raptor I think / Pan Claw 39-47 750 recoil + 10% eva dodge aura with a 4th which is every 10? seconds
12-18 added..............................
Untagged Ripper 25-42 1200 recoil / BsB 34-51 with 5th ( which takes a lot of effort to get and only really does insane damage if you have way over a targets Str )
9-9 added
Balanced aye?
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Apus untagged 26-40 / Pxbow 36-50
10-10 added, even the bow has more added attack to it than the sword.....
range 7 vs range 1
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#68 2014/07/19 10:54:16 |
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"GHOSTLORD""ZYZZ" Not against changes to sword however we haven't seen anything decent drop in terms of the sword coupled with a 5th aura on someone, currently Horus still has the best ripper ingame attack wise (I think) and he still does damage.I completely agree with this part. Why? we know the base stats on all of them. Tags can be extrapleated. The reason 2H sword are usualy slow is because there ment to be a PVP wep not PVE the same goes for Xbows. The bow should either be speed E or it should have the lowest att of all weps
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[quote="ACAELUS"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="ZYZZ"] Not against changes to sword however we haven't seen anything decent drop in terms of the sword coupled with a 5th aura on someone, currently Horus still has the best ripper ingame attack wise (I think) and he still does damage. [/quote] I completely agree with this part.[/quote]
Why? we know the base stats on all of them. Tags can be extrapleated.
The reason 2H sword are usualy slow is because there ment to be a PVP wep not PVE the same goes for Xbows. The bow should either be speed E or it should have the lowest att of all weps[/quote]
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#69 2014/07/19 13:38:35 |
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CHOJINE |
People forget most nil users will pale in art compared to sword users at that point in level, the extra attack looks good on paper, but will not affect people badly in practical use
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#70 2014/07/27 20:51:56 |
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CHOJINE |
I meant nuk and can't edit for some reason
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#71 2014/07/27 20:52:47 |
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CHOJINE |
And str* damn you iphone predictive text
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#72 2014/07/27 20:53:37 |
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CYROX |
You need to consider a lot more than just the weapon. Yes nux users will have far less str. However, dex weapons are almost always used in conjunction with a str weapon. Whereas sword is deemed a main weapon for str gains. Therefore you need to allow for the scenario where someone using pan claw has the same if not more str than a sword user. Imo 2h swords should be some of the hardest hitting weapons in game to make up for the slower str gains whilst being a main lvling weap.
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[quote="CYROX"]You need to consider a lot more than just the weapon. Yes nux users will have far less str. However, dex weapons are almost always used in conjunction with a str weapon. Whereas sword is deemed a main weapon for str gains. Therefore you need to allow for the scenario where someone using pan claw has the same if not more str than a sword user. Imo 2h swords should be some of the hardest hitting weapons in game to make up for the slower str gains whilst being a main lvling weap. [/quote]
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#73 2014/07/28 07:22:55 |
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"CYROX"You need to consider a lot more than just the weapon. Yes nux users will have far less str. However, dex weapons are almost always used in conjunction with a str weapon. Whereas sword is deemed a main weapon for str gains. Therefore you need to allow for the scenario where someone using pan claw has the same if not more str than a sword user. Imo 2h swords should be some of the hardest hitting weapons in game to make up for the slower str gains whilst being a main lvling weap. Agreed ;o 12-18 buff with -50 750 a+ recoil compared to a 9-9 buff 1200 speed E -.o
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[quote="ZAO"][quote="CYROX"]You need to consider a lot more than just the weapon. Yes nux users will have far less str. However, dex weapons are almost always used in conjunction with a str weapon. Whereas sword is deemed a main weapon for str gains. Therefore you need to allow for the scenario where someone using pan claw has the same if not more str than a sword user. Imo 2h swords should be some of the hardest hitting weapons in game to make up for the slower str gains whilst being a main lvling weap. [/quote]
Agreed ;o 12-18 buff with -50 750 a+ recoil compared to a 9-9 buff 1200 speed E -.o[/quote]
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#74 2014/07/28 10:28:10 |
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I can understand why some weapons were buffed more to bring users away from the more mainstream weapons, but I think it has more to do with 5th auras. Why would anyone ever want any 5th other than Sword and Axe (except for show)? Honestly, I think the new sword damage should be upped, and other 5th auras to be brought in line with Sword and Axe.
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]I can understand why some weapons were buffed more to bring users away from the more mainstream weapons, but I think it has more to do with 5th auras. Why would anyone ever want any 5th other than Sword and Axe (except for show)? Honestly, I think the new sword damage should be upped, and other 5th auras to be brought in line with Sword and Axe.[/quote]
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#75 2014/07/28 15:27:12 |
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