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If players killed the higher end mobs in the same amount of hits it takes on palus/devilfish you would see drop rates are the same for small diamonds no matter what mob drops them.

There’s plenty of mobs that drop diamonds, drop rates are the same so where’s the problem?

Edit - everyone seems to think palus/devilfish are the go to mobs for diamonds simply because there’s loads of spawns of both these mobs, increase spawns of boars/trolls and others and your so called problems are solved.

bots at df

what's the prob with upping the rates at higher end mobs where most ppl hunt?

Like tyrese.. i done 500%+ at trolls in the last few weeks for 0 diamonds.. that aint good..
and that's with 1.5x drops

Not asking for bazillions of them, but probably now is the time in the servers life to make df redundant as the main diamond droppers. allowing players to hunt the higher mobs with a chance of other drops as well as a few diamonds a week..
seems reasonable

I’ve hunted all mobs that drop diamonds and never once had a problem farming them, yeah some days are good some not so, but there drop rate is the same no matter which mob you farm them from.

well at a guess.. possibly i put a few more hours in than maybe you do.. and can assure you they really don't drop at trolls apart from one a fortnight or so..
anyway.. u carry on with ur plentiful diamonds and the rest of us will wonder why they aint plentiful for us.

ps.. had 2 sd's from vafers in a week.. 3 weeks ago... and not had one since.. and probably killed 15-20k of them.

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The plentiful remark was from my own experience and the amount of diamonds I see being offered to buy other items on the forums, lupi you don’t really farm, you just make new characters and level them that’s not a dig at you, I like others have/do farm and there is no shortage of diamonds.

Edit - reason why diamonds seem to be the top item wanted/needed is the pure greed for even faster weapons...

Well simple solution let finito put a recoil cap on each weapon type which he can do overnight yes it would upset many if they logged on afterwards and there 350-450 bullet bow was now 600 recoil but it would allow more diverse upgrades on weapons, upgrade accuracy, attack not just speed, speed, speed

waaaa.. the point is.. i dont farm df/ palus.... but have killed bazillions of trolls and vafers recently..and get next to no diamonds..
the point of the thread is.. why do we we have to go df/ palus to find diamonds in any meaningful amount...and also..
df/palus are low lev mobs.. easy pickings for botters... why make it easy for them?
putting more on higher mobs.. less on the df...might -= less botters... more ppl farming the higher mobs?

well... no more to say

if finito reduced all the bows to 600 recoil ..there's one outcome.. which is why it won't be done..
capping recoils is something possible in the future when a 600 recoil bow has more dps than a current 400 rec nega bow has atm .. that wont be coming soon at a guess
this discussion going off at a tangent...
all that's being asked for is a few more di's from higher end mobs rather than having to go backwards to farm df/ palus for a few diamonds. which ideally would drop a little more from other mobs than they do now.

That aint a controversial or way out request... just seems a logical way of giving players some more options to gain some diamonds whilst hunting mobs that might give them a few decent drops at the same time

If you killed vafers/trolls/boars in the same amount of hits it would take you on palus/devilfish then you would be seeing more diamonds drop, because they require more hits is why you feel drop rates aren’t same get more attack, more dex, more accuracy??? or hunt mobs you can quickly burn through and watch them diamonds drop.

Edit - I agree botters/cheaters ruin the game for everyone else but I have no control over them, I have control over which mob I chose to farm certain items knowing which mobs drop an item then it only makes sense to hunt/farm the mob I can kill quickest to run through that rng the best way possible.

speechless tbh.. carry on

I understand what you’re saying Raven. But as a player who would rather hunt the top mobs and gain stats (I have also made several chars instead of farming as the blg phase of levelling is simply OP in terms of items) it would be nice not to have to sacrifice levelling time to go and bash DF / palus for hours each week to get diamonds. Just think of the casual players who never have that spare time to sacrifice hunting time to kill mobs which give no gain to stats.

I personally think a new tier of armor which is a lot better than intense bitter / titus in terms of Def would see a rise in the need for rubies as these armors would be the next accuracy and eva armor meaning more old sets would be sold and rubies required. It’s a win win, casuals would get the chance to buy older sets of armor and hard core players could make better sets.

Believe me I do understand what your all saying, ie your character is capped or nearly capped you just want to hunt end game mobs and should have same chance as a person that hunts palus/devilfish for that small diamond. But these top end mobs have so much more items that you can farm and trade that lower level player for his/her diamond.

Take a look at the last 3 melee mobs vafers, trolls, boars there spawn is small and not as many areas as the like of palus/devilfish if the last 3 mobs had bigger spawns more areas you would start seeing more drop because more players would be able to hunt these at the same time as the rest of you then you all would be helping to run through there rng a lot quicker.

The problem is raven there’s a tiny tiny % of people who actually farm Vafers or trolls. They simply don’t drop well enough to sit there for 3/4hours per night.

I did over 70% the other night on this and had a bag of cloudy bones, a couple of vials and a couple of hard shak weaps which are only used for npc purposes.

People at the cap shouldn’t have to go back to a level 60 mob to go and get items the top mobs should be dropping regularly.

Df and palus serve their purpose to help lower levels get items to gear up and that’s absolutely fine but to say end game mobs drop rate on diamonds is okay is completely wrong IMO.

if You increase drop rates on diamonds you increase them from all mobs that drop them the drop rates aren’t set independently so you would increase botters at palus/devilfish surely that’s the wrong thing to aim for?

That’s something I didn’t know. I would imagine there is something which fin could do in regards to separating the end game mobs drop % to lower end mobs.

the drop rates must be set independently..... for eg...
capped player
3 seconds max to kill a df
12 seconds max to kill a hell troll

1-2-3 hours max at df to get a sd
4x longer to kill a troll would = 4-8-12 hours per sd

very approx figures.. but thereabouts .. u dont get a sd anywhere near 12 hours.. nvm 4 or 8 hours at trolls.... so. therefore... diamonds drop much more frequently at df.......
and the whole point of this thread is......
diamonds are not plentiful at higher mobs... please can we have them ..so higher lev players don't have to go back to lev 60 df to farm them
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