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[quote="L1NK"]HSoma int has the upper hand against dsoma. HSoma melee had the upper hand generally in HSoma pvp. It's simple really. You can't expect to be the best across all aspects of pvp. Also the argent against bosses I think there is a very fair balance between melee and int. [/quote]

[quote="GENEFUSER"]Tolic, its like me saying "Why cant I kill humans with 100str+ str on human conti" Its not the way to think about it.[/quote]

[quote="QUIMM"]A capped Str char will get higher int and dex than a capped int char will get Str and dex. Having duelled lupi capped int vs capped str is fairly balanced in PvP, despite me being a few levels higher it's pretty much down to who hits first. We both won an even split of duels. I understand your frustrations however the logic for your argument is based around using 150 odd att/100 odd defence human on conti vs 150 odd df and 250-300 odd att of a devil on conti. its almost like me standing toe to toe with an archer or knuckler on conti and complaining that I can't cast. 2 melee chars in Apus bow, regardless of damage could lock out a capped mage for an entire war/fight. Where as 2 85 int mages wouldn't bother a capped melee char. Every build ingame has pros and cons, balanced chars will never have the shock burst power, melee build will take massive damage vs mages and mages will struggle to cast and takes massive damage vs melee chars. I'll tell you flat out that I've gimped my char by capping int and if I was to reroll knowing what I do now is have a very different char build, but I apprecoate and enjoy the variety we will see at cap in chars, I wouldn't want to play a server where every char is the exact same and it comes solely down to gear. Tl;Dr. It's actually fairly well balanced. [/quote]

[quote="SLITHER"][/quote] 2 melee chars in Apus bow, regardless of damage could lock out a capped mage for an entire war/fight. Where as 2 85 int mages wouldn't bother a capped melee char. Tl;Dr. It's actually fairly well balanced. [/quote] not sure what you're basing this on, but in terms of nebulaa and jpot ( i can only assume they have around 100 str, and are the only people ive fought recently) but it still takes me 4-5 hits to kill them IF i actually hit them, whereas if i miss them with the current low int i have they probably do 30% a hit. this is at level 90+ and 150 str, where i have a 4% accuracy set and 105 dex. If it were people with more int, maybe looking at 40-50% a hit. single handedly i miss enough for int people to do plenty of damage, regardless of weaken or not. but if i want to get those weakens off me and there is a weaken weasel running about consistantly keeping it up, pretty much screwed and is 50+ bag weight wasted, without taking slow into account which completely ruins your melee weapon speed. ( you can easily waste 200 bagweight of serums on slow/weaken/blind weasels in 2 minutes) basically you need have to have an A speed bow and a decent accuracy set to lock out a mage, if you're lucky and they haven't procured a 5% eva set from the 600 frogs theyve gained from nightmares. Nothing inspirational about having to jump into nightmare gear to avoid being 3-......6 hit ( with weaken), even at level 91 by lowbies. Once the +md gear has to come out, u lose all accuracy and are just missing 50% of the time. edit; saying this i am obviously not capped and cannot comment on how it is at that point, but level 91 is a reasonable level and if a mage was at this point inting people 10-30 levels below them i'm thinking it would pack more of a punch so to speak. this has nothing to do with RvR, don't really give a shit about that. (if i did, i do minimal damage to all melee devils if you evenutally mitigate the 200 dex (still with 105 <-- emphasis on the 1 not being a 2 dex and a 4% acc set)).[/quote]

[quote="ALFACHINO"]there's only one way to solve the problems of soma. /freeshav[/quote]

[quote="BLASTOISE"]Free shavranakroskoo[/quote]

[quote="GENEFUSER"]Slither, the example you bring forth is a scenario where you have 3 or 4 vs 1. Bare in mind that for magic to kill you so fast, the mage needs to apply weaken and to cast... Without setup, melee has far higher burst. In relation to the topic though, my axer has more than double the STR of most of the people hunting in conti and I can't land kills without the assistance of another or sometimes two other people. I feel for you Tolic that you've gained so much STR, yet can't kill an archer on Dsoma conti (using melee gear) but it's a similar situation on the other side of the fence. I can get kills on my mage, if I have another mage or two to help with the setup/burst, or I have an axer to keep someone in place (we don't have the luxury of having multiple weapon auras). So if you plan to raid conti... Don't think you can do it on your jack jones, bring a friend. Preferably a mage friend, who will force the devil into using robes. Do you ever see people really raiding by themselves successfully from Dsoma? Aside the level 100's killing people half of their level.[/quote]

[quote="EVIL_JR"]Tolic, im 110ish str and you 4/5 hit me at wotw! But from raiding and attending wotw like most people commenting cba doing! Int damage is more or less the same at wotw as to when devs/ hums have conti!! It seems only str attack is changed! [/quote]

[quote="EVIL_JR"][quote=] STYLE Yoshi killed shak 2-3 times with knuckle. I got my kills with bow. Seen plenty of others kill with an attack aura as well, CEO does really well with gore lancet. Quimm lafite and CEO are inting low level devs. If you found a devil Mage of the same level you would rape him. It's all about opposites. I thought that would be obvious? Go hit Lazarus or sorcerer and tell me you don't hurt them....[/quote] Lazarus and S0rcerer both have more str than drok[/quote]

[quote="TOLIC"]This is my point tho, why major in str when : I can't use it during raiding conti as it's useless against everyone (bar the odd low lvl Mage if they actually have mobs in conti ? I'm not sure) I struggle to hit bosses even with decentish dex ( for hsoma) when bosses have too high def dex I rarely hit high devil bow/knux users at wotw even when the % benefits humans leaving me to rely on just a 4th or the lower lvl/dex Devils I'm not saying I'm totally useless but wouldnt int be the smarter choice to major in? Seeing as it has no real disadvantages towards pvp/pve [/quote]

[quote="REXOB"][quote="TOLIC"] I'm not saying I'm totally useless... [/quote] Just won gvw, I think you're OK . [/quote]

[quote="HEARTSAUCE"]OMG...[/quote]

[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="TOLIC"] I rarely hit high devil bow/knux users at wotw even when the % benefits humans leaving me to rely on just a 4th or the lower lvl/dex Devils [/quote] With a max of 115-120 dex in hsoma you will struggle to hit a capped sword user maybe even spear users. You only need a small dex difference to miss a lot. Unless you have some accuracy of course.[/quote]

[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="TOLIC"] I rarely hit high devil bow/knux users at wotw even when the % benefits humans leaving me to rely on just a 4th or the lower lvl/dex Devils [/quote] With a max of 115-120 dex in hsoma you will struggle to hit a capped sword user maybe even spear users. You only need a small dex difference to miss a lot. Unless you have some accuracy of course.[/quote] The smile on my face is real. [/quote]

[quote="PATHOLOGIST"]Surely if you wanted to major in 1 stat you would have gone devil. Dont expect hsoma and dsoma to be exactly the same.[/quote]