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[quote="NOTMAT"]Can this be re-added? Not sure why it was removed in the first place but it would give people something to do now more and more are capped/close to cap. There's plenty of good ideas being thrown around on this section of the forum most for me seem like they'd take too much time/work to implement. Surely adding Abyss wouldn't be hard/time consuming?[/quote]

[quote="SATAN2"]Sylver mentioned a while ago they are looking into bringing it back with some changes. Sounded excellent so hopefully they come to fruition at some point.[/quote]

[quote="TYPHIN"]Abyss was unused, and imo always always sucked. No XP, just purely 'treasure hunting' In reality apart from MWUN or other boss's grinding for Q items to turn in for a arm/weop enhancement or ingredient was not an attractive prospect. Now if you want to talk about grinding Q items for decent gear then we can talk. Soma may be an old game, but i don't want it to be 'dated' by old perspectives of you must spend 200 hours to have a 0.9% chance of getting something that will improve your character by 0.1% vs wotw or gvw. It MUST have purpose, It MUST be fun AND rewarding.[/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"][quote="TYPHIN"]Abyss was unused, and imo always always sucked. No XP, just purely 'treasure hunting' In reality apart from MWUN or other boss's grinding for Q items to turn in for a arm/weop enhancement or ingredient was not an attractive prospect. Now if you want to talk about grinding Q items for decent gear then we can talk. Soma may be an old game, but i don't want it to be 'dated' by old perspectives of you must spend 200 hours to have a 0.9% chance of getting something that will improve your character by 0.1% vs wotw or gvw. It MUST have purpose, It MUST be fun AND rewarding.[/quote] It wasn't unused at all and the whole point of Abyss was that you could hunt harder mobs with a much higher drop rate without gaining XP. Not entirely sure what your point is.[/quote]

[quote="LAZARUS"]Abyss pls, loved that shite <3 And now there's even more drops that can be added to it etc. Don't see why not.[/quote]

[quote="DIRT_NAP"]Would be amazing for group/guild hunts.[/quote]

[quote="RAVER"]Mwum also dropped mare blood and muscle elixir which was +5 bag weight to your chat which extra weight is alway handy[/quote]

[quote="TYPHIN"][quote="NOTMAT"][quote="TYPHIN"]Abyss was unused, and imo always always sucked. No XP, just purely 'treasure hunting' In reality apart from MWUN or other boss's grinding for Q items to turn in for a arm/weop enhancement or ingredient was not an attractive prospect. Now if you want to talk about grinding Q items for decent gear then we can talk. Soma may be an old game, but i don't want it to be 'dated' by old perspectives of you must spend 200 hours to have a 0.9% chance of getting something that will improve your character by 0.1% vs wotw or gvw. It MUST have purpose, It MUST be fun AND rewarding.[/quote] It wasn't unused at all and the whole point of Abyss was that you could hunt harder mobs with a much higher drop rate without gaining XP. Not entirely sure what your point is.[/quote] My point is that was the reason sylver gave in changelog at a time. he didnt just do it for a laugh[/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"][quote="TYPHIN"]My point is that was the reason sylver gave in changelog at a time. he didnt just do it for a laugh[/quote] So are you re-iterating what Dan said or is that your opinion? (or both) Also which changelog? I'll say again, there's plenty of ideas on the forum but a lot are far-fetched imo. Surely re-adding a map that already exists wouldn't take much work in comparison. More importantly it would give people something to do. People who are capped and close to cap have nothing to do apart from improve their gear, so re-adding Abyss where the mobs are harder and have higher drop rates is a no brainer.[/quote]

[quote="LAZARUS"][spoiler]2013-08-23 - Staff ma increased throughout. - Elixers removed from terrasque and replaced with plate armor. - Fixed a jQuery issue on the website. 2013-08-22 - Implemented forum into website. - Added HW and UHW to pos shop - Removed Vexher - Removed Kidarhan - Craft delay is now 1 second. 2013-08-10 - Started working on an inbuilt forum for main site. - Fixed a bug on login - Removed coloured shout scrolls from conti mobs this was a major culprit of economy downfall. 2013-08-08 - Added a north gate to Mercenary Town. - Removed slither NPCs in devil soma guild village hall. 2013-08-07 - Fixed player moving to target when shift is being held. - [Server]There is a craft delay of 1.5 seconds and a chance for tagged items. - [Client]Crafting keeps materials and produce can be held down for continuous crafting. - Fixed being able to send party request to a dead player. 2013-07-28 - Fixed an issue with news comments and gravatars. - Deleted hsoma lottery and alt gem dedicated spawns. - Changed all the items that used special item table to use base counterparts (should see these items in armory) 2013-07-27 - Fixed taking screenshot crashing the client. - [Client]Fixed rested exp variables not being reset when go back to character selection. 2013-07-26 - Fixed sagonari quest to give base weapons instead of the non existant S tags - Updated sand crawler to be a more viable alternate to forest troll/devil warrior. - Updated xenomorph to be viable alternate to palus/lb and increased every spawn by 30%. - Increased Valk spawn by 40%. - Massively lowered the silly scale raptor dedicated spawn and increased the spawns of others. - Updated Giant Spider to give better stats for its level - Updated psyscho troll to be better for hunting similar to its alternates - Conti Altered Beast iMaxExp changed from 1800 to 1300. - Hwan Altered Beast iMaxExp changed from 1300 to 1100. - Tarkilhi Paladin iMaxExp changed from 1500 to 1300 and sDex_Df from 83 to 64. - Gargoyle Fighter iMaxExp changed from 1900 to 1500. - Conti Minotaur iMaxExp changed from 1600 to 1300. 2013-07-25 - Fixed light range and drawing of night for higher than 800x600 resolution. - Fixed sounds playing at maximum volume when volume is not at max. 2013-07-24 - Added server rate for Moral exp. No longer stuck with only 1x moral rate. - Fixed items on map floor disappearing early on right screen edge (> 800x600 resolution). 2013-07-23 - Experience mouse over text changed to include rested experience and to 2 decimal places. 2013-07-22 - Blue Exp Bar added to Human and Devil Soma Main and Small Main UI. 2013-07-21 - Forgot password: No longer sent as plain text now you must reset it via an email and code. - Implemented the server side of Rested Exp. 2013-07-20 - Updated web views for security namely account page. - Players may make their equipment private by logging in and visiting their armory profile. 2013-07-17 - Passwords will no longer be stored plain-text in database. 2013-07-16 - Client extension now has patches for specific versions of gdi32.dll to fix multi-monitor lag. - Fixed UI offsets for SmallMain, Dead, Human's/Devil's World text for higher than 800x600 resolution. 2013-07-14 - Spiked beast and bone golem stats improved to make conti a little more viable for humans. - Upped the attack for first tier auras from 3 to 5 (small change but every little helps). - Added plate,golden,blood,dark,shadow back into mobs that drop the p tags normally (seems to be quite a bit of dungeon mobs) - Added base weapons to replace a tags etc - Halved the range of G Birds. - Added isBoss to various bosses this increases likelihood of dynamic weapons and armour also flags it on player feed. 2013-07-13 - Removed war beast spawn from wraith in VoD 2013-07-09 - Added new Skin for Invulnerability armor. - Added drops for male and female invuln to t18 guards 2013-07-08 - Added item_log database table and redirecting item logs into that table with extra data. - Will be able to use it to keep track of rare items. - Can set logItem field in basicitem table to force logging of the item. - Upgraded Items, >= Epic tagged gear, and money piles >= 100,000 are always logged. 2013-07-08 - HSoma Sword Gains changed to 100/100 from 90/90. - DSoma Axe Gains changed to 150/50/90 from 150/50/80. - Dsoma Sword Gains changed to 100/100/90 from 150/100/80. 2013-07-07 - Fixed Stat increase issue where weapon percentage applied to stat increase value would result in value that should be lower than 1 but value was being forced to 1. The value was then multiplied by stat rate therefore giving a much bigger gain than it should have. - A side effect of this was int and wis would increase for non-mage devil soma characters at a increased rate the same also applies to str,dex,con for mage devil soma characters. - Also fixes database table stat caps where value is 0 it will now use the 0 value instead of forcing to 1. 2013-07-02 - Gazer and Elder Gazer spawn increased - Rapid Casting is now "Mages Contrivance" + 6% evasion when casted - Improved durability of mage armours throughout (especially hats) 2013-07-01 - Increased sMaxHP of Arena Dummies from 1,995 to 30,000 2013-06-30 - WBM are now distance one - Increased shield defense by 30% - Increased dsoma shield strength requirements by 30% - Added go between mob for AB and WBM (KL) Can be found if devils own conti. - Small collection quest added for dsoma to introduce these 2013-06-29 - Fixed a few typo bugs - Added legendary items - Tweaked pos rewards prices to better reflect the game - Added Blue and Red shout scrolls to pos shops - Added collection quests - Removed the missing items from fortune pouches (a tags etc) 2013-03-03 - Tweaked pitbosses to spawn less - Added Onzu a reward npc for hsoma for collecting souls 2013-02-11 - Removed all variable item drops of tagged weapons that dont exist and replaced them with the base counterparts 2013-02-10 - Altered Drazil and Elite Lizardman to give better stats for its range. (Make conti more needed) 2013-02-09 - Added untagged bone to EDW - Made EDW stronger 2013-02-03 - Stopped all abyss monsters from spawning 2013-02-02 - All weapons/armour/access have had 20% added onto there requirements to space out the game further - Made conti spells have higher requirements and also tweaked fire storm and chain lightning to be stronger than frost wind - Added a go between mob for Lich Lord and nightmare - Created a new nightmare set skin for both genders. - Added nightmare boots to the game new mob drops these and gender specific nightmare hats - Stopped abyss guard from spawning 2013-01-27 - Added 2 further bosses and drop files - Hero requires 90 str or 90 int. 2013-01-12 - Added 2 new pit bosses with soul drops eventually need to add one for each map 2013-01-07 - Removed Auction NPCs. The Auction needs a lot of work to get into a decent state. Not worth putting in the time to do so until a later time such as a patch when the server is already up and running. 2013-01-06 - Reduced all barr drops for mobs that drop over 200 barr by 20%. - Reduced major culprit barr mobs such as AB or GF - Tweaked dsoma start monsters that didnt drop barr. - Removed 115 unused monsters 2012-12-31 - Modified Dragon`s Pills and Keen Eye to add 3% then 2% for every upgrade afterwards. 2012-12-23 - Client extension created. - Different item name colours for hardened, rare, epic, and intense. - Currently only on Inventory window and items on ground. - Screenshots saved as PNG into a Screenshots folder. 2012-12-22 - Created new dsoma guard skin and changed all current dsoma guards to it. - Skin added to client install on server 2012-12-20 - Created new hsoma guard skin and changed all current hsoma guards to it. - Skin added to client install on server 2012-12-18 - Modified client to add the value of the weapon speed to item tooltips. It now looks like this "Speed : A (800)" with the exact speed value within the brackets. 2012-12-17 - Added two new AI types. - Class specific: This ai will attack the opposing class for example we can have a monster that only attacks hsoma (perfect if we had a shared map). The value for monster sTypeAI is 4. - NPC specific: This ai type attacks only aggressive npcs (perfect to prevent mob luring into town). The value for monster sTypeAI is 5. - If a NPC with this AI type hits another NPC then it will prevent that NPC from dropping money or items. 2012-12-16 - Added Gem Trader a trader exchange that will allow mass trade special gems. 2012-12-15 - Added Gem Trader a trader exchange that will allow mass trade alternate gems. 2012-12-11 - Added food to the devil soma food shop. - Beef Jerky and Meat Dish. (Scripts/DsomaFoodShop.sql) 2012-12-09 - Tweaked hero values to a more acceptable range. - Updated toe/keen eye/Swift Spirit/Eva rate in tb_upgrade. - Changes auras such as Dodge to 8% and tweaked other auras such as speed up axe to be slower. - Updated all F speed weapons to be at least E. - sDur column in BasicItem can now act as stack limit for non-equipment items. - Demon Water, Heaven Water, Forest Water, Demon Water, White serum, and Blue serum changed to maximum of 10 in a stack. - Tweaked res scrolls to use one slot per scroll. 2012-12-08 - Added isDemon column to BASICITEM table. - New Lua scripts and functions for loading the isDemon flag for items and checking if item is demon. - Removed all tag weapons from basicitem and monsterset references (exlcuding m tags)[/spoiler] Might be in this somewhere. But i agree abyss would be a nice touch to give people, especially on dsoma something to do insteada just logging out.[/quote]

[quote="TYPHIN"][quote="NOTMAT"][quote="TYPHIN"]My point is that was the reason sylver gave in changelog at a time. he didnt just do it for a laugh[/quote] So are you re-iterating what Dan said or is that your opinion? (or both) Also which changelog? I'll say again, there's plenty of ideas on the forum but a lot are far-fetched imo. Surely re-adding a map that already exists wouldn't take much work in comparison. More importantly it would give people something to do. People who are capped and close to cap have nothing to do apart from improve their gear, so re-adding Abyss where the mobs are harder and have higher drop rates is a no brainer.[/quote] He posted his reasons for most decisions during dev on old site, i read it from his posts there around Feb 2013 at that time [/quote]

[quote="TYPHIN"]http://www.somadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=3823&p=44555&hilit=abyss#p44555 http://www.somadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=4862&p=56376&hilit=abyss#p56376 http://www.somadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5880&p=58523&hilit=abyss#p58523 http://www.somadev.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=5880&p=58874&hilit=abyss#p58874 Four examples of iSylver's decision, if you want the reason, you should be able to find it there. i remember reading back then so... the last demonstrates he thought it was a flaw. I agree, hence my views on the matter[/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"]Reading through those, can't see any justification other than Dan not liking it himself. My point still stands though, re-adding Abyss and changing the drops to whatever Dan wants is still a no brainer.[/quote]

[quote="IPHIOS"]Can I have Abyss please?[/quote]

[quote="EVIL_JR"]And me please[/quote]