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i believe this needs addressing with regard to its stats, and no this isnt a biased view:
pre-patch myself and yareyaredaze were the two chars our guild waited on for help in pvp etc. however now, if pvp kicks off we both actively relog onto archers the same goes for wotw, because we are shortest in points remaining we also have least wis - yare relogs onto archer and i relog onto a mage for wotw. the reason we continue to level is so that if/when the issue does get addressed we arent then further levels behind i honestly believe this class will die out if the issues arent looked at, which is a shame as that is then nearly 2 classes redundant (only wotw saves mages) you only need look at the pk feed to see it is majority archers/several swordies (due to 5th) that win out 90% of the time
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[quote="DEIMOS"]i believe this needs addressing with regard to its stats, and no this isnt a biased view:
pre-patch myself and yareyaredaze were the two chars our guild waited on for help in pvp etc.
however now, if pvp kicks off we both actively relog onto archers
the same goes for wotw, because we are shortest in points remaining we also have least wis - yare relogs onto archer and i relog onto a mage for wotw. the reason we continue to level is so that if/when the issue does get addressed we arent then further levels behind
i honestly believe this class will die out if the issues arent looked at, which is a shame as that is then nearly 2 classes redundant (only wotw saves mages)
you only need look at the pk feed to see it is majority archers/several swordies (due to 5th) that win out 90% of the time[/quote]
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#1 2017/12/16 07:52:42 |
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STONES |
Seems well balanced to me, guess axers aren't use to potting like normal folk. High damage across the board means people don't stand still much so it's hard for you to make the most of that Dex gain and kill people
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#2 2017/12/16 10:50:17 |
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"STONES"Seems well balanced to me, guess axers aren't use to potting like normal folk. High damage across the board means people don't stand still much so it's hard for you to make the most of that Dex gain and kill people Strongly dissagree as axers are on huge disadvantage
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[quote="ERDEKA"][quote="STONES"]Seems well balanced to me, guess axers aren't use to potting like normal folk. High damage across the board means people don't stand still much so it's hard for you to make the most of that Dex gain and kill people [/quote]
Strongly dissagree as axers are on huge disadvantage[/quote]
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#3 2017/12/16 11:24:48 |
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Disagree from what I've seen in pvp axers are still dying the least.
Fighting an axer last night (who was using accuracy and 4th aura+ I have more gear ) it was taking me 3-4 hits on my knuxor to deal the same damage he was landing per hit on his axer. |
#4 2017/12/16 11:36:34 |
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"DEIMOS"i believe this needs addressing with regard to its stats, and no this isnt a biased view: Think more testing is done and what you say about feed is wrong, since new patch you have died once. ( 1v1 against me zombie double proc'd). And YareYarehaze has killed 4 people and only died once. Pretty sure your the only 2 level 100+ axers who have been around since patch, (not including coca as he runs around gearless just to stone, apart from the one time he puts gear on and gives it away)
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[quote="STONES"][quote="DEIMOS"]i believe this needs addressing with regard to its stats, and no this isnt a biased view:
pre-patch myself and yareyaredaze were the two chars our guild waited on for help in pvp etc.
however now, if pvp kicks off we both actively relog onto archers
the same goes for wotw, because we are shortest in points remaining we also have least wis - yare relogs onto archer and i relog onto a mage for wotw. the reason we continue to level is so that if/when the issue does get addressed we arent then further levels behind
i honestly believe this class will die out if the issues arent looked at, which is a shame as that is then nearly 2 classes redundant (only wotw saves mages)
you only need look at the pk feed to see it is majority archers/several swordies (due to 5th) that win out 90% of the time[/quote]
Think more testing is done and what you say about feed is wrong, since new patch you have died once. ( 1v1 against me zombie double proc'd).
And YareYarehaze has killed 4 people and only died once.
Pretty sure your the only 2 level 100+ axers who have been around since patch, (not including coca as he runs around gearless just to stone, apart from the one time he puts gear on and gives it away)
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#5 2017/12/16 12:04:03 |
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DIOS |
It’s all down to gear 👍👍
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#6 2017/12/16 13:35:37 |
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KEKKET |
As an axer i can say from experience they been nerfed the most out of other classes. Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. Yes we still deal a big amount of dmg. But we cant take as much hits anymore 2. All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class.
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[quote="KEKKET"]As an axer i can say from experience they been nerfed the most out of other classes. Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. Yes we still deal a big amount of dmg. But we cant take as much hits anymore 2. All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class.[/quote]
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#7 2017/12/16 13:43:40 |
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"KEKKET"As an axer i can say from experience they been nerfed the most out of other classes. Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. Yes we still deal a big amount of dmg. But we cant take as much hits anymore 2. All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class. You do huge damage still, you've had a huge hit rate increase along with more evade chance. Only difference now is your able to take damage, But still the hardest class to kill, class finally gets balanced and you all want it buffed back up - _-
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[quote="POLOX"][quote="KEKKET"]As an axer i can say from experience they been nerfed the most out of other classes. Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. Yes we still deal a big amount of dmg. But we cant take as much hits anymore 2. All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class.[/quote]
You do huge damage still, you've had a huge hit rate increase along with more evade chance. Only difference now is your able to take damage, But still the hardest class to kill,
class finally gets balanced and you all want it buffed back up - _-[/quote]
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#8 2017/12/16 13:53:33 |
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BL00D_SHOT |
Stats are fine I think its the messed up auras i think atm that is making them feel less required/enjoyable to play
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#9 2017/12/16 15:13:06 |
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MERLIN |
They have highest defence yes but they are definitely not hardest to kill axe has 40 more def than bow but 35 less Dex, I know which I would choose
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#10 2017/12/16 16:47:45 |
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YAREYAREDAZE |
"KEKKET" Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. sums up my thoughts perfectly. I'm basically logging the second a proper fight starts to a class that doesn't die instantly to 3-4 players white hits, never missing me. I feel axer class can now only be played as a suicide 5th stone character - its definitely useful, but not what I wanted to play when I started my axer you will ALWAYS die when focused, but you can basically guarentee a kill the second you land a stone on someone. being 5th stoned in dsoma pvp is a complete fkin death sentence atm. No one can tank 3-4 devs at once, and theres been alot of 6v6 / 8v8 fights in the last day or 2. it is pretty fun honestly seeing people dropping left and right, and we have had some great fights against mutiny, with lots of kills on both sides. But dying in a 1v1 to a dex class, as an axer, because they can safely wear zombie pants and stand toe-to-toe with you, while tearing your hp pool apart, feels pretty shitty. If we end up posting vids from our fights, you will see that no one dares to stand still and fight (except stones in his monster dex set lel), because then you can be focused by other melee classes and will 100% die to unpottable dmg. dsoma is sort of becoming a dex arms race, where pods/rdts/acc all feel completely useless. As the only way to survive is to dodge peoples auto attacks, because they chunk you so hard, and the highest dps increase you can get, is increasing your auto attack hit chance. Delight tabs, provide both strong offensive AND defensive components, no other upgrade item still does this, since RDTS lost their def contribution. We even won GVW with an ARCHER tanking the stone, who held it for like 3-4 minutes, sums it up right there honestly. These are just my thoughts on dsoma at the moment. I actually really like that knuckle archer and sword are top tier pvp classes now, and wouldn't want them nerfed. Axe is also still very useful for pvp, as 5th stone reigns supreme, but outside of that, the class feels very hollow. You could be wearing un-upgraded trash invuln/access, and be just as useful as any other axer, as long as you have stone on your F5-8 buttons I just feel that either DTs need to be nerfed heavily, as its beginning to fuck up the economy and make all other crafted gear without DTs basically irrelevant. Or you need to add some HUGE con accessories/con buffs in general, so we can supplement the gigantic incoming damage, with increase defense which we currently don't have.
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[quote="YAREYAREDAZE"][quote="KEKKET"] Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much.
All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class.[/quote]
sums up my thoughts perfectly.
I'm basically logging the second a proper fight starts to a class that doesn't die instantly to 3-4 players white hits, never missing me.
I feel axer class can now only be played as a suicide 5th stone character - its definitely useful, but not what I wanted to play when I started my axer
you will ALWAYS die when focused, but you can basically guarentee a kill the second you land a stone on someone. being 5th stoned in dsoma pvp is a complete fkin death sentence atm. No one can tank 3-4 devs at once, and theres been alot of 6v6 / 8v8 fights in the last day or 2.
it is pretty fun honestly seeing people dropping left and right, and we have had some great fights against mutiny, with lots of kills on both sides.
But dying in a 1v1 to a dex class, as an axer, because they can safely wear zombie pants and stand toe-to-toe with you, while tearing your hp pool apart, feels pretty shitty.
If we end up posting vids from our fights, you will see that no one dares to stand still and fight (except stones in his monster dex set lel), because then you can be focused by other melee classes and will 100% die to unpottable dmg.
dsoma is sort of becoming a dex arms race, where pods/rdts/acc all feel completely useless. As the only way to survive is to dodge peoples auto attacks, because they chunk you so hard, and the highest dps increase you can get, is increasing your auto attack hit chance.
[b]Delight tabs, provide both strong offensive AND defensive components[/b], no other upgrade item still does this, since RDTS lost their def contribution.
We even won GVW with an ARCHER tanking the stone, who held it for like 3-4 minutes, sums it up right there honestly.
These are just my thoughts on dsoma at the moment. I actually really like that knuckle archer and sword are top tier pvp classes now, and wouldn't want them nerfed. Axe is also still very useful for pvp, as 5th stone reigns supreme, but outside of that, the class feels very hollow. You could be wearing un-upgraded trash invuln/access, and be just as useful as any other axer, as long as you have stone on your F5-8 buttons
I just feel that either DTs need to be nerfed heavily, as its beginning to fuck up the economy and make all other crafted gear without DTs basically irrelevant. Or you need to add some HUGE con accessories/con buffs in general, so we can supplement the gigantic incoming damage, with increase defense which we currently don't have. [/quote]
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#11 2017/12/16 17:17:14 |
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Axers upset as they can no longer tank 20 people at a time. I agree all guilds need a tank but before they were to OP. But as stones says, check the feed, archers are still getting dropped the most who may have more dex but far less con. Accuracy gear has put dex out the game.
Yare 5ths me and im dead in seconds.
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[quote="TYROZET"]Axers upset as they can no longer tank 20 people at a time. I agree all guilds need a tank but before they were to OP. But as stones says, check the feed, archers are still getting dropped the most who may have more dex but far less con. Accuracy gear has put dex out the game.
Yare 5ths me and im dead in seconds.[/quote]
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#12 2017/12/16 17:17:53 |
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STONES |
"YAREYAREDAZE""KEKKET" Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much. I think the 1v1 against an axer (as knux) seems fine, I out gear deimos by quite alot and during our 1v1 he took me down to <25% hp a few times, I only managed to kill him after he potted during zombie then he took zombie off and it insta proc'd again. The times he had me under 25% if any of them hits had put zombie on me even once and I had potted I too would of died. (he would of required only 1 proc although I needed 2 to 1v1 him) Axers in equal gear are still the hardest class to kill. If you stone someone in a 4v4, you've now got 3 of the enemy hitting the hardest class to kill vs 4 of your team hitting whoever you stoned (guessing one of the squidgy classes) Seems fair to me, even in a 5vs4 out numbered your still having 4 people trying to kill the tankiest class against 4 people trying to kill the squidgy class
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[quote="STONES"][quote="YAREYAREDAZE"][quote="KEKKET"] Im not saying its bad. But it might be just to much.
All i know for myself is that i dont like axe anymore. Something needs to be done here or it will end up dieng out class.[/quote]
sums up my thoughts perfectly.
I'm basically logging the second a proper fight starts to a class that doesn't die instantly to 3-4 players white hits, never missing me.
I feel axer class can now only be played as a suicide 5th stone character - its definitely useful, but not what I wanted to play when I started my axer
you will ALWAYS die when focused, but you can basically guarentee a kill the second you land a stone on someone. being 5th stoned in dsoma pvp is a complete fkin death sentence atm. No one can tank 3-4 devs at once, and theres been alot of 6v6 / 8v8 fights in the last day or 2.
it is pretty fun honestly seeing people dropping left and right, and we have had some great fights against mutiny, with lots of kills on both sides.
But dying in a 1v1 to a dex class, as an axer, because they can safely wear zombie pants and stand toe-to-toe with you, while tearing your hp pool apart, feels pretty shitty.
If we end up posting vids from our fights, you will see that no one dares to stand still and fight (except stones in his monster dex set lel), because then you can be focused by other melee classes and will 100% die to unpottable dmg.
dsoma is sort of becoming a dex arms race, where pods/rdts/acc all feel completely useless. As the only way to survive is to dodge peoples auto attacks, because they chunk you so hard, and the highest dps increase you can get, is increasing your auto attack hit chance.
[b]Delight tabs, provide both strong offensive AND defensive components[/b], no other upgrade item still does this, since RDTS lost their def contribution.
We even won GVW with an ARCHER tanking the stone, who held it for like 3-4 minutes, sums it up right there honestly.[/quote]
I think the 1v1 against an axer (as knux) seems fine, I out gear deimos by quite alot and during our 1v1 he took me down to <25% hp a few times, I only managed to kill him after he potted during zombie then he took zombie off and it insta proc'd again. The times he had me under 25% if any of them hits had put zombie on me even once and I had potted I too would of died. (he would of required only 1 proc although I needed 2 to 1v1 him)
Axers in equal gear are still the hardest class to kill. If you stone someone in a 4v4, you've now got 3 of the enemy hitting the hardest class to kill vs 4 of your team hitting whoever you stoned (guessing one of the squidgy classes) Seems fair to me, even in a 5vs4 out numbered your still having 4 people trying to kill the tankiest class against 4 people trying to kill the squidgy class
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#13 2017/12/16 17:30:29 |
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YAREYAREDAZE |
Sorry tyro but the second you said
"accuracy gear has put dex out of the game" you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. I have the most accuracy gear in dsoma, and even I think its fkin worthless at the moment. I've actually been wearing my GVW tank items mostly in pvp, because I need survivability, not 20% more hit rate -- I agree stones, the only issue is that deimos/ me can NEVER wear zombie pants ourselves, as 1. we won't hit a dex class enough to ever get a reasonable procc chance, and 2.) We will absolutely melt without the defense from pads, when we are eating every auto attack that heads our way
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[quote="YAREYAREDAZE"]Sorry tyro but the second you said
"accuracy gear has put dex out of the game" you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
I have the most accuracy gear in dsoma, and even I think its fkin worthless at the moment. I've actually been wearing my GVW tank items mostly in pvp, because I need survivability, not 20% more hit rate
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I agree stones, the only issue is that deimos/ me can NEVER wear zombie pants ourselves, as 1. we won't hit a dex class enough to ever get a reasonable procc chance, and 2.) We will absolutely melt without the defense from pads, when we are eating every auto attack that heads our way[/quote]
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#14 2017/12/16 17:31:54 |
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MUSASJI |
To be honest what I've taken from this more than anything is bow needs nerfing
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