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"SAM0"

"SLAYER"

"SAM0"

"SLAYER"I think there's a lot of valid points from either side here...

K/D is what stops people wanting to just take the two kills for however long you get peace for...you could say "well then play a different game" but when the ball is in your court (i.e. you or a group of your guild has people on a lot more) that is easy to say.

Why not do a combination, make being angel/devil (dsoma/hsoma) have more harsh penalties (i.e. like original esoma), make moral harder to regain, and enable people to permanently turn off K/D (with no option to turn it back on), in that kills they get will never count towards their K/D but also they will never be able contribute to other peoples K/D?

INB4 Slayer wants to turn his off, I will never.

Edit: Jahs point is very valid to, people of angel moral in dsoma atm, namely archers...warp into pande and use the warp lady to go to hwan just to trace and chase after some easy kill...was meant to be more guards added to prevent this...

But yeah remove the ability of a character (i.e. the target in this case) contributing to someones K/D and maybe they wouldn't be so sad as to chase these easy kills.

Pk mode has already been nerfed Into the ground and made super easy for the care bears, any further nerfs would just kill th e game even more...

Why should being a pker be made even harder "like Esoma"?

Theres almost zero chance of PK death drops in this server

along with the fact Barr is so much easier to obtain for those needing alot of resis due to PK ( 10k Barr drops per mob - didn't see that on Esoma)

Not to mention no stat loss for being killed without a resi. (although this had to be changed due to super stat grieffed chars)

Also a level restriction in place now on what levels you can kill.

So many nerfs to PK and its such a huge part of the game.

I think if anything we should try find a way of introducing PK death drops back into the game... It was such a great feature that's been almost completely removed.

Atleast now we aren't all playing on dial-up so less chance of our net dropping every 24 minutes and costing us valuable gear.

I don't disagree with this, if the community was much larger.

The problem is the power struggle and people trying to control spawns, when one side is winning the other won't bother playing much due to not wanting to give the other side the satisfaction of an easy kill as they have lots more people online, so the community slowly dwindles further...there are other reasons of course.

Community size doesn't really matter. Soma always has and always will be a very small user count game

Agreed the power struggle can be hard at times, but that's where being a part of a neutral guild comes in. Everyone else knows what soma PvP has been like for 15++ years (before all the massive carebear friendly changes on this server)

If they can't handle PvP on a massively PvP based game maybe soma isn't the game for them.

The GM's can't please everyone.


PvP has already been nerfed so hard on this server I struggle to see how people could possibly want it nerfed more.

It's getting to the point where more people are probably leaving due to PK nerf after nerf ( I know a big chunk of people who left when the 2 PK rule came in) over those carebears who report every death and cry on forums / to GM's (the ones that always say they're quitting because they got Pk'd 3x but never do)

"SLAYER"I'd like a mix of old school no limit on pk deaths, with no immunity and even death drops (non dc though)... but also have periods of time throughout the soma day where there is immunity for say 1-2 every 4 hours (real world time) for the whole community.

"BUFFY"

"SLAYER"I'd like a mix of old school no limit on pk deaths, with no immunity and even death drops (non dc though)... but also have periods of time throughout the soma day where there is immunity for say 1-2 every 4 hours (real world time) for the whole community.

You suggest that and I've suggested alternate pk/non pk days.

†BTVS™ © ®

"ALEXISONFIRE"I disagree with the “there is no neutral guilds”

Arcanix are neutral on hsoma, we don’t get involved in the drama or pick sides. The only time our members get pk’d is normally down to something they’ve done themselves, or if they’re are noticely been seen to picking sides (all the times I’ve been pk’d was because I was mistaken for witchfire, who was slagging of dl)

"SAM0"

"ALEXISONFIRE"I disagree with the “there is no neutral guilds”

Arcanix are neutral on hsoma, we don’t get involved in the drama or pick sides. The only time our members get pk’d is normally down to something they’ve done themselves, or if they’re are noticely been seen to picking sides (all the times I’ve been pk’d was because I was mistaken for witchfire, who was slagging of dl)

Yup there has always been neutral guilds. Maybe not so much in DSoma but people could always create one.

It just seems the "people who can't play much" want to PK when it suits them (when they have more numbers online) but then when roles are reversed they want protecting by further nerfs to the PK system.

"SLAYER"

"SAM0"

"ALEXISONFIRE"I disagree with the “there is no neutral guilds”

Arcanix are neutral on hsoma, we don’t get involved in the drama or pick sides. The only time our members get pk’d is normally down to something they’ve done themselves, or if they’re are noticely been seen to picking sides (all the times I’ve been pk’d was because I was mistaken for witchfire, who was slagging of dl)

Yup there has always been neutral guilds. Maybe not so much in DSoma but people could always create one.

It just seems the "people who can't play much" want to PK when it suits them (when they have more numbers online) but then when roles are reversed they want protecting by further nerfs to the PK system.

We all see things differently, you say you see it as people PKing when it's in their favour only...But I see it as helping prevent the forcing out of people who can't play much and thus can't defend against numbers (or can't defend against highly geared chars w/e).

These people can still 'dominate' the second PK mode comes back on, thus feeding their epeen.

Dsoma has some highly toxic players that PK whoever you are....but again the suggestion of periods of time when PK mode is disabled, then time when it's on (i'm talking 2 hours on 2 hours off all day btw, or something along those lines) doesn't cater to either side of yours or my argument more than the other.

"FOXTRCK"Sam0,

The game was a grind MMO. Any game, even LoL caters for as wide an audience as possible, that is casuals and hard-core players, over to creative, to roleplayers, Soma once had it all. Matchmaking systems were built primarily so that all scales of gameplay were fun and no one was just totally either outclassed or our geared.

ESoma, didn't have such prevalent PKing. In fact PKing was very much double edged, and people took the consequences for doing it, just as they did any rewards. Maybe it was flawed... in how powerful weapons and gear could be (evasion was). Maybe it was a mistake to be able to make (and we are starting to see) almost triple hitting bows.

Anyway, its all misdirected frustrations and bollocks and it should be put over to duels / guild wars and actual competition not roaming PK gangs that just goes for anyone they can.

"SAM0"

2h on 2h off is a terrible idea. Pk mode has been made so carebear it's crazy. People already left the game when the last PK change came in. Others are asking for no further nerfs already and this would nerf the shit out of it.

Why are we catering so heavily towards the carebears who can't handle their pixels being killed and not the players who want to play the game the way it was designed?

Said it before, try complaining to Gms or on forums on Any other PvP based game in the whole world that your getting killed too much, you'd be laughed/trolled the shit out of until you went back to playing Farmville

"FOXTRCK"I don't know Sam0, the game is very much about the journey. And it was very much infinite for 99% people of people on Esoma. Anyway how many people bother to compete in PVP outside of GVW? A handful.

I'll agree with you about the events but they are 1 hour some 5 days a week. The rest of the time we're grinding.

If you ask me, the game is about grinding for gear more than anything else, being the best sure but its still about the journey.

I still see the majority of people crafting and training. I think we'd all be a bit naive to think at cap we would then start to enjoy the game.

So which case, those people should be looked after, the crafters, the socialisers, the people training, not called carebears, the people we share that journey with.

A 20 level PK difference is no longer sufficient with how geared some level 110s are now anyway. Id sooner see more PvP orientated content than more PKing, hope we can agree on that.