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Well no that's not true.
You can 'raid' dungeons, you can if you want to plan to 'raid' specific bosses as a group. You can create community events, you can actually do anything you want, which doesn't have to include PvP. You can craft armor for people, even hunt out your own matts. You can learn every spell in game. Get every 5th aura in game, and it still wouldn't yet include PvP. You could write a novellia of your own character, you can roleplay... anything. So no, it isn't a Pvp game.
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[quote="FOXTRCK"]Well no that's not true.
You can 'raid' dungeons, you can if you want to plan to 'raid' specific bosses as a group. You can create community events, you can actually do anything you want, which doesn't have to include PvP. You can craft armor for people, even hunt out your own matts. You can learn every spell in game. Get every 5th aura in game, and it still wouldn't yet include PvP. You could write a novellia of your own character, you can roleplay... anything.
So no, it isn't a Pvp game.[/quote]
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#91 2018/08/01 15:52:06 |
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TONGSKIE |
"STORMHAVEN"Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally. Correction its nearly 1200th. You weren't there when DL grief me lvl70-80 when most of them were capped. And it was those times that has 30lvl gap and you can get pked. Did i moan or cry?i didnt. Instead i work my ass lvlng,hunting,farming making good items. Then i killed them all!:p my kills were 99% DL dont care if they are capped or not. So please. Pipe down stormy
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[quote="TONGSKIE"][quote="STORMHAVEN"]Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally.
I personally stopped playing for over a year because every single time I logged on I got chased by tong, still got screenies from it "why dont you just warp". Lisa_arlene had the same thing, tong used to run to shanis every single day without fail killing our mobs to ruin our hunt just waiting for us to fall into the range so he can PK, was pathetic lol it went on for months
He still does it now but on Sven so he can go for lower levels
The whole KD score thing starts alot of the egos imo, tongskie for a start, he bragged about 1k kills yet i doubt even 1/4 of them were from anyone within 10 levels of him lol
Shit you see from dsoma shouts is awful, it's like a bunch of 10 year olds always with some shit insults from ted/brain ending with"rofl"
Gone are the days where i'm 14 years old, not everyone grew up it seems.
For once I actually agree with Mattys post[/quote]
Correction its nearly 1200th. You weren't there when DL grief me lvl70-80 when most of them were capped. And it was those times that has 30lvl gap and you can get pked. Did i moan or cry?i didnt. Instead i work my ass lvlng,hunting,farming making good items. Then i killed them all!:p my kills were 99% DL dont care if they are capped or not. So please. Pipe down stormy
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#92 2018/08/01 15:54:53 |
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"SAM0""FOXTRCK"No, its a grind MMO and a RPG at that. "You are missing the point...People wouldn't be complaining or reporting to GMs on other PvP games over dieing too much in game (who even does?lol), because as foxtrck says they catter to a wider audience. It's more about preventing toxic forms of playing styles within this small community. I also said make PK like it was before, make being killed as harsh as it was, make being Devil/Angel as harsh as it was before to.... but then have 2 hours on 2 hours off with PK mode (it's an arbitrary figure I'm not saying it should be that). Listen to what Foxtrck is saying he's been about a long time and has made the same observations as myself, but in a different way. Things have changed massively on this server and so should the PK system, I don't like the 2 PK rule either, but it kind of works if someone still wants to play the game at the expense of giving away 2 free kills every half an hour (that's what it encourages, if someone wants to hunt they have to just take the kills and not fight back), It does make you wonder what type of player is running around for these 2 easy kills as well...and what that reinforces in the long term. Hopefully GMs will come up with a better idea. I think we need to look at the bigger picture, because on the one hand people are arguing this is no longer esoma and shouldn't be talked about in the same context, then the same people are saying 'we play soma because of how it was on esoma'." Others have since responded with numerous valid opinions opposing yours Davvy... I know you want to come back and cap Stones, spending 16 hours a day leveling, then try get some kills on lower level chars...because they are just that...not because of any special ability you hold...that's how Soma works (pvp wise), you either have better gear/higher level or more numbers...the skill involved in pvp is minimal beyond team co ordination and some minor tactics that a young kid could come up with. People getting their kicks from running round trying/pking 16 hours a day vs easier targets shouldn't be welcomed imo.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="SAM0"][quote="FOXTRCK"]No, its a grind MMO and a RPG at that.
You're being completely selective in you're responses so I don't think this is going to go anywhere... bye
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That's fine. All my points are valid and you've yet to answer any of them, it's very difficult to argue with the facts that you or Alexisonfire don't take part in any PK (giving or receiving) yet comment that it should be nerfed more
Bye (:[/quote]
"You are missing the point...People wouldn't be complaining or reporting to GMs on other PvP games over dieing too much in game (who even does?lol), because as foxtrck says they catter to a wider audience. It's more about preventing toxic forms of playing styles within this small community.
I also said make PK like it was before, make being killed as harsh as it was, make being Devil/Angel as harsh as it was before to.... but then have 2 hours on 2 hours off with PK mode (it's an arbitrary figure I'm not saying it should be that). Listen to what Foxtrck is saying he's been about a long time and has made the same observations as myself, but in a different way.
Things have changed massively on this server and so should the PK system, I don't like the 2 PK rule either, but it kind of works if someone still wants to play the game at the expense of giving away 2 free kills every half an hour (that's what it encourages, if someone wants to hunt they have to just take the kills and not fight back), It does make you wonder what type of player is running around for these 2 easy kills as well...and what that reinforces in the long term. Hopefully GMs will come up with a better idea.
I think we need to look at the bigger picture, because on the one hand people are arguing this is no longer esoma and shouldn't be talked about in the same context, then the same people are saying 'we play soma because of how it was on esoma'."
Others have since responded with numerous valid opinions opposing yours Davvy... I know you want to come back and cap Stones, spending 16 hours a day leveling, then try get some kills on lower level chars...because they are just that...not because of any special ability you hold...that's how Soma works (pvp wise), you either have better gear/higher level or more numbers...the skill involved in pvp is minimal beyond team co ordination and some minor tactics that a young kid could come up with.
People getting their kicks from running round trying/pking 16 hours a day vs easier targets shouldn't be welcomed imo.[/quote]
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#93 2018/08/01 15:58:26 |
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"TONGSKIE""STORMHAVEN"Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally. And he bites lol Oh and for the record it's not just DL you go after so don't try justify it xx
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[quote="STORMHAVEN"][quote="TONGSKIE"][quote="STORMHAVEN"]Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally.
I personally stopped playing for over a year because every single time I logged on I got chased by tong, still got screenies from it "why dont you just warp". Lisa_arlene had the same thing, tong used to run to shanis every single day without fail killing our mobs to ruin our hunt just waiting for us to fall into the range so he can PK, was pathetic lol it went on for months
He still does it now but on Sven so he can go for lower levels
The whole KD score thing starts alot of the egos imo, tongskie for a start, he bragged about 1k kills yet i doubt even 1/4 of them were from anyone within 10 levels of him lol
Shit you see from dsoma shouts is awful, it's like a bunch of 10 year olds always with some shit insults from ted/brain ending with"rofl"
Gone are the days where i'm 14 years old, not everyone grew up it seems.
For once I actually agree with Mattys post[/quote]
Correction its nearly 1200th. You weren't there when DL grief me lvl70-80 when most of them were capped. And it was those times that has 30lvl gap and you can get pked. Did i moan or cry?i didnt. Instead i work my ass lvlng,hunting,farming making good items. Then i killed them all!:p my kills were 99% DL dont care if they are capped or not. So please. Pipe down stormy
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And he bites lol
Oh and for the record it's not just DL you go after so don't try justify it xx[/quote]
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#94 2018/08/01 16:08:05 |
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"STORMHAVEN""TONGSKIE""STORMHAVEN"Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally. Have a good read again. I said 99%. Still have 1% for the random ones. :p
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[quote="TONGSKIE"][quote="STORMHAVEN"][quote="TONGSKIE"][quote="STORMHAVEN"]Sam0 Davy mate, Just because someone has a low number of deaths on the KD score, doesn't mean they haven't been chased by people trying to PK, hunts ruined, evenings ruined where they want to just come on and relax killing some mobs only to be chased off and put in a worse mood then they were in originally.
I personally stopped playing for over a year because every single time I logged on I got chased by tong, still got screenies from it "why dont you just warp". Lisa_arlene had the same thing, tong used to run to shanis every single day without fail killing our mobs to ruin our hunt just waiting for us to fall into the range so he can PK, was pathetic lol it went on for months
He still does it now but on Sven so he can go for lower levels
The whole KD score thing starts alot of the egos imo, tongskie for a start, he bragged about 1k kills yet i doubt even 1/4 of them were from anyone within 10 levels of him lol
Shit you see from dsoma shouts is awful, it's like a bunch of 10 year olds always with some shit insults from ted/brain ending with"rofl"
Gone are the days where i'm 14 years old, not everyone grew up it seems.
For once I actually agree with Mattys post[/quote]
Correction its nearly 1200th. You weren't there when DL grief me lvl70-80 when most of them were capped. And it was those times that has 30lvl gap and you can get pked. Did i moan or cry?i didnt. Instead i work my ass lvlng,hunting,farming making good items. Then i killed them all!:p my kills were 99% DL dont care if they are capped or not. So please. Pipe down stormy
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And he bites lol
Oh and for the record it's not just DL you go after so don't try justify it xx[/quote]
Have a good read again. I said 99%. Still have 1% for the random ones. :p[/quote]
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#95 2018/08/01 16:18:56 |
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"SLAYER""SAM0""FOXTRCK"No, its a grind MMO and a RPG at that. I disagree and from the majority of players I've played with over the years soma has always and will always be majority PvP based outside the grinding for levels (most I've played with grind for the levels and gear so they can PvP easier) How about the Gms put any future nerfs to PK down to a vote? Rather than basing nerfs on people who bring problems on themselves/don't take part in PK Gms can tweak how PK mode is nerfed then put it down to a vote before implementing. Atleast this way the majority of the community is choosing and not a said few who make their opinions heard on every thread even if they don't take part in PK
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[quote="SAM0"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="SAM0"][quote="FOXTRCK"]No, its a grind MMO and a RPG at that.
You're being completely selective in you're responses so I don't think this is going to go anywhere... bye
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That's fine. All my points are valid and you've yet to answer any of them, it's very difficult to argue with the facts that you or Alexisonfire don't take part in any PK (giving or receiving) yet comment that it should be nerfed more
Bye (:[/quote]
"You are missing the point...People wouldn't be complaining or reporting to GMs on other PvP games over dieing too much in game (who even does?lol), because as foxtrck says they catter to a wider audience. It's more about preventing toxic forms of playing styles within this small community.
I also said make PK like it was before, make being killed as harsh as it was, make being Devil/Angel as harsh as it was before to.... but then have 2 hours on 2 hours off with PK mode (it's an arbitrary figure I'm not saying it should be that). Listen to what Foxtrck is saying he's been about a long time and has made the same observations as myself, but in a different way.
Things have changed massively on this server and so should the PK system, I don't like the 2 PK rule either, but it kind of works if someone still wants to play the game at the expense of giving away 2 free kills every half an hour (that's what it encourages, if someone wants to hunt they have to just take the kills and not fight back), It does make you wonder what type of player is running around for these 2 easy kills as well...and what that reinforces in the long term. Hopefully GMs will come up with a better idea.
I think we need to look at the bigger picture, because on the one hand people are arguing this is no longer esoma and shouldn't be talked about in the same context, then the same people are saying 'we play soma because of how it was on esoma'."
Others have since responded with numerous valid opinions opposing yours Davvy... I know you want to come back and cap Stones, spending 16 hours a day leveling, then try get some kills on lower level chars...because they are just that...not because of any special ability you hold...that's how Soma works (pvp wise), you either have better gear/higher level or more numbers...the skill involved in pvp is minimal beyond team co ordination and some minor tactics that a young kid could come up with.
People getting their kicks from running round trying/pking 16 hours a day vs easier targets shouldn't be welcomed imo.[/quote]
I disagree and from the majority of players I've played with over the years soma has always and will always be majority PvP based outside the grinding for levels (most I've played with grind for the levels and gear so they can PvP easier)
How about the Gms put any future nerfs to PK down to a vote?
Rather than basing nerfs on people who bring problems on themselves/don't take part in PK
Gms can tweak how PK mode is nerfed then put it down to a vote before implementing.
Atleast this way the majority of the community is choosing and not a said few who make their opinions heard on every thread even if they don't take part in PK
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#96 2018/08/01 16:26:47 |
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I think it has a lot to do with how fast lvling is nowdays too. when rates were 2x there wasnt a lot of pking like there is now. Bk then it took u over 3k hours to cap, and now? 400 hours (if not faster)?
Faster rates attracts other kind of players. Thats how I think about it.
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[quote="KEKKET"]I think it has a lot to do with how fast lvling is nowdays too. when rates were 2x there wasnt a lot of pking like there is now. Bk then it took u over 3k hours to cap, and now? 400 hours (if not faster)?
Faster rates attracts other kind of players. Thats how I think about it.[/quote]
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#97 2018/08/01 16:44:30 |
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"KEKKET"I think it has a lot to do with how fast lvling is nowdays too. when rates were 2x there wasnt a lot of pking like there is now. Bk then it took u over 3k hours to cap, and now? 400 hours? Don't think it's the kind of players it attracts but it's more to do with... People being at a level where they can enjoy and take part in PK sooner. The capped chars that enjoy pking no longer have to grind away getting levels so free to enjoy pking more People that have been around a long time pretty much have zero gear grinding left to do* so can pk more. *I'm not even the most geared in mutiny/efukt/Korea guild and it would take me 400-600 hours of grinding for +1 more Str on an armour piece... When devil's are hitting each other for 50-200 dmg a hit that +1 STR isn't going to be noticeable, I'd rather spend my time enjoying the gaming PvPing
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[quote="SAM0"][quote="KEKKET"]I think it has a lot to do with how fast lvling is nowdays too. when rates were 2x there wasnt a lot of pking like there is now. Bk then it took u over 3k hours to cap, and now? 400 hours?
Faster rates attracts other kind of players. Thats how I think about it.[/quote]
Don't think it's the kind of players it attracts but it's more to do with...
People being at a level where they can enjoy and take part in PK sooner.
The capped chars that enjoy pking no longer have to grind away getting levels so free to enjoy pking more
People that have been around a long time pretty much have zero gear grinding left to do* so can pk more.
*I'm not even the most geared in mutiny/efukt/Korea guild and it would take me 400-600 hours of grinding for +1 more Str on an armour piece... When devil's are hitting each other for 50-200 dmg a hit that +1 STR isn't going to be noticeable, I'd rather spend my time enjoying the gaming PvPing
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#98 2018/08/01 16:48:59 |
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+1 to no more nerfs, if anything I would reverse the 2pk rule
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#99 2018/08/01 17:10:57 |
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Gms just delete this thread please,every theards of forum same people trying to write inside the same ideas always been annoying.
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#100 2018/08/01 17:26:37 |
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FOXTRCK |
Reverse the pk rule and make it so 110s can only pk 110s. That’ll be a start - or a gear score differential.
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#101 2018/08/01 18:12:56 |
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maybe a stat diffirential, can pk if within 30 of str/int or lvl within 10
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#102 2018/08/01 18:25:33 |
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"SAM0""CARNAGE"Just best off accepting this isn't a pvp game like quite a few have a long time ago, plenty of good games out there where players don't cry when they're killed. Don't take offence, it's just you're fighting a losing battle. Pvp is only going to diminish further until it's nonexistent, which seems to be the general goal. Im officially offended by mentioning my name..ye a few harsh forum comments..but my play style is to help all i can..either with crafting or upgrades or a few free items to newer players!! And to put the argument to bed... assuming most lev 110's have put in the best part of 1k hours... a little less mayb or a lot more mayb... even the most hardened pker has done less than 50 hours pking ( excepting gvw or wotw ) So ..this game has pk ofc..but its hardly a pk game..its a grind for stats/ levels game , and most ppl spend 95% of their time playing solo i would guess. because a few bored ppl with access to hi levs or well geared characters decide to go on a pk spree in parties of 2-3-4 , and obliterate ppl trying to play the game in the usual solo mode..... It really isnt fun for the solo player who is trying to play the game. No1 inthis thread is asking for pk to be removed..or even nerfed..But ..these solo players..shudnt just have to take 2 x pks from a party of bullies ..just to be able to hunt for 30 mins..That aint cricket ... Maybe a 2 hour immunity..or somethin...no idea what...but ..just ''lay back and take 2 x kills and get 30 mins hunt time'' doesnt quite cut the mustard
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="SAM0"][quote="CARNAGE"]Just best off accepting this isn't a pvp game like quite a few have a long time ago, plenty of good games out there where players don't cry when they're killed. Don't take offence, it's just you're fighting a losing battle. Pvp is only going to diminish further until it's nonexistent, which seems to be the general goal. [/quote]
Yup I can also see PK taking more nerfs and it's a shame because alot of people don't want it. Alot of people already quit once the "2pk rule" came in.
Gms can only go off the feedback they're given tho and not enough players who want PK to remain voice their opinion.
Gms will see myself and tyrese voting for no more PK nerfs.
They will see Slayer buffy lupiscus Alexisonfire Foxtrick voting for more nerfs.
Even tho buffy/lupiscus bring deaths upon themselves with the way they act on forums/Ingame and Alexisonfire and Foxtrick who have never had any part in PK at all.
All Gms will see is 2 people asking for no nerfs 5-6 people asking for nerfs
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Im officially offended by mentioning my name..ye a few harsh forum comments..but my play style is to help all i can..either with crafting or upgrades or a few free items to newer players!!
And to put the argument to bed... assuming most lev 110's have put in the best part of 1k hours... a little less mayb or a lot more mayb... even the most hardened pker has done less than 50 hours pking ( excepting gvw or wotw )
So ..this game has pk ofc..but its hardly a pk game..its a grind for stats/ levels game , and most ppl spend 95% of their time playing solo i would guess.
because a few bored ppl with access to hi levs or well geared characters decide to go on a pk spree in parties of 2-3-4 , and obliterate ppl trying to play the game in the usual solo mode..... It really isnt fun for the solo player who is trying to play the game.
No1 inthis thread is asking for pk to be removed..or even nerfed..But ..these solo players..shudnt just have to take 2 x pks from a party of bullies ..just to be able to hunt for 30 mins..That aint cricket ...
Maybe a 2 hour immunity..or somethin...no idea what...but ..just ''lay back and take 2 x kills and get 30 mins hunt time'' doesnt quite cut the mustard[/quote]
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"SAM0"Yup I can also see PK taking more nerfs and it's a shame because alot of people don't want it. Alot of people already quit once the "2pk rule" came in. Yes I brought it upon myself for always attacking the defending guild at a GVW. DL thought that I only attacked them, which was wrong. A few days later, 4 capped players came to kill me. Big surprise 4 v 1 lmao, so I made a thread and have argued with them since. As Lupi says, shouldn't have to take 2 deaths on the chin from 2/3/4/5/6 v 1 anyway every 30 mins. It's not just the pks btw, they also bad mouth you, shout in global and lure mobs or hit your mob when you have 30 mins. safe immunity. Mentioning no names here. Sometimes I retaliate and some whelps get in the way ^^. I, along with Lupi/FOXTRCK and Alexisonfire might vote for a nerf, that's our opinion and you have yours. I originally suggested 2 hours immunity, but 1 hour would be great also. †BTVS™ © ®
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[quote="BUFFY"][quote="SAM0"]Yup I can also see PK taking more nerfs and it's a shame because alot of people don't want it. Alot of people already quit once the "2pk rule" came in.
Gms can only go off the feedback they're given tho and not enough players who want PK to remain voice their opinion.
Gms will see myself and tyrese voting for no more PK nerfs.
They will see Slayer buffy lupiscus Alexisonfire Foxtrick voting for more nerfs.
Even tho buffy/lupiscus bring deaths upon themselves with the way they act on forums/Ingame and Alexisonfire and Foxtrick who have never had any part in PK at all.
All Gms will see is 2 people asking for no nerfs 5-6 people asking for nerfs
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Yes I brought it upon myself for always attacking the defending guild at a GVW. DL thought that I only attacked them, which was wrong.
A few days later, 4 capped players came to kill me. Big surprise 4 v 1 lmao, so I made a thread and have argued with them since.
As Lupi says, shouldn't have to take 2 deaths on the chin from 2/3/4/5/6 v 1 anyway every 30 mins.
It's not just the pks btw, they also bad mouth you, shout in global and lure mobs or hit your mob when you have 30 mins. safe immunity. Mentioning no names here. Sometimes I retaliate and some whelps get in the way ^^.
I, along with Lupi/FOXTRCK and Alexisonfire might vote for a nerf, that's our opinion and you have yours.
I originally suggested 2 hours immunity, but 1 hour would be great also.
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#104 2018/08/01 18:51:19 |
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"LUPISCUS""SAM0""CARNAGE"Just best off accepting this isn't a pvp game like quite a few have a long time ago, plenty of good games out there where players don't cry when they're killed. Don't take offence, it's just you're fighting a losing battle. Pvp is only going to diminish further until it's nonexistent, which seems to be the general goal. This is already made easier the change should be reversed Imo (several others have already agreed with this) Its currently alot easier for you "picking up 2 deaths every 30mins" over the way the PK system was designed and has been for over 15 years.
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[quote="BONA"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="SAM0"][quote="CARNAGE"]Just best off accepting this isn't a pvp game like quite a few have a long time ago, plenty of good games out there where players don't cry when they're killed. Don't take offence, it's just you're fighting a losing battle. Pvp is only going to diminish further until it's nonexistent, which seems to be the general goal. [/quote]
Yup I can also see PK taking more nerfs and it's a shame because alot of people don't want it. Alot of people already quit once the "2pk rule" came in.
Gms can only go off the feedback they're given tho and not enough players who want PK to remain voice their opinion.
Gms will see myself and tyrese voting for no more PK nerfs.
They will see Slayer buffy lupiscus Alexisonfire Foxtrick voting for more nerfs.
Even tho buffy/lupiscus bring deaths upon themselves with the way they act on forums/Ingame and Alexisonfire and Foxtrick who have never had any part in PK at all.
All Gms will see is 2 people asking for no nerfs 5-6 people asking for nerfs
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Maybe a 2 hour immunity..or somethin...no idea what...but ..just ''lay back and take 2 x kills and get 30 mins hunt time'' doesnt quite cut the mustard[/quote]
This is already made easier the change should be reversed Imo (several others have already agreed with this)
Its currently alot easier for you "picking up 2 deaths every 30mins" over the way the PK system was designed and has been for over 15 years. [/quote]
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