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"TIBI""AXOM"Worst bit of abuse here is the fact it was known as a “bug” but not changed for so long... it was allowed to exist for such a long time. on hsoma mages have 5th axe. One bangs shouldn't exist without weaken - if you have Db proc from access, Infernal flame proc -(i tihkn its called), death globe proc, water proc, flame touch, - dont know if theres another old proc? but thats 5 procs and if u got weaken pants -thats 6 parts 2 ma parts - assuming ur using db proc form access which is the highest ma attack spell with ma on the access- a warrior still wouldn't stand a chance. nerc same proc to stack % only benefits mages. Majority of dl are mages/dex mages. Hence i feel its in DLs favour. The reaosn i disagree with the change is because it only benefits mages and makes other gear useless with the db proc on access, and literally just stacking when you can still 1 bang warriors as illustrated above. Even if you account for dmg difference of db whcih is 70 maximum with new procs i beleive ? 120 with old procs i think? not 100% on this tho. A mage geared with db proc like myself which proc has been the same since its been created as far as im aware. basising it my gear on this notion where DL do dominate gvw, ss and wotw etc, its like fighting a losing battle hence i feel with the change they should of changed the proc on hero access - so people who have made their gear, havent wasted their time or have an allowance on proc instead of it all stacking allow 3 peices oopposed to 6 or more if you have the gear so it basically halfs the amount of procs going off in one when you do get multiple procs and the rest stacks but have it so the stacked % dont count towards multiple procs. With dsoma mages i find 4th staff aura isn't good enough with reload time or duration - assuming there was a buff for warriors
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[quote="4634"][quote="TIBI"][quote="AXOM"]Worst bit of abuse here is the fact it was known as a “bug” but not changed for so long... it was allowed to exist for such a long time.
Proc should only go off once per cast regardless, multi proc is still too over powered. 1 bangs shouldn’t be a thing. [/quote]
Without one bangs - or close to one bangs - mages wouldn’t be able to PvP effectively. [/quote]
on hsoma mages have 5th axe. One bangs shouldn't exist without weaken - if you have Db proc from access, Infernal flame proc -(i tihkn its called), death globe proc, water proc, flame touch, - dont know if theres another old proc? but thats 5 procs and if u got weaken pants -thats 6 parts 2 ma parts - assuming ur using db proc form access which is the highest ma attack spell with ma on the access- a warrior still wouldn't stand a chance. nerc same proc to stack % only benefits mages. Majority of dl are mages/dex mages. Hence i feel its in DLs favour. The reaosn i disagree with the change is because it only benefits mages and makes other gear useless with the db proc on access, and literally just stacking when you can still 1 bang warriors as illustrated above.
Even if you account for dmg difference of db whcih is 70 maximum with new procs i beleive ? 120 with old procs i think? not 100% on this tho. A mage geared with db proc like myself which proc has been the same since its been created as far as im aware. basising it my gear on this notion where DL do dominate gvw, ss and wotw etc, its like fighting a losing battle hence i feel with the change they should of changed the proc on hero access - so people who have made their gear, havent wasted their time or have an allowance on proc instead of it all stacking allow 3 peices oopposed to 6 or more if you have the gear so it basically halfs the amount of procs going off in one when you do get multiple procs and the rest stacks but have it so the stacked % dont count towards multiple procs.
With dsoma mages i find 4th staff aura isn't good enough with reload time or duration - assuming there was a buff for warriors
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#61 2021/02/06 14:13:05 |
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"CHOJINE"Surely stacking is more powerful, don’t get why mages are against it. Use a DB set and spam Firestorm at GVW and have half your casts proc a DB, with FS’s power coupled with DB you would likely drop anything made of pixels. A dex mage in a DB set and a rapid bow now that it stacks would be interesting. Because the dmg off a hit and 1 proc opposed to a hit and 6-7 procs going off does not exactly balance out. Would like to see a nerf to human soma mages or allow dex mages to get a bit more str and warriors a bit more md without sacrificing attack, its pretty hard to kill a mage whos got hero access and 5th axe which is pretty much all mages atm.
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[quote="4634"][quote="CHOJINE"]Surely stacking is more powerful, don’t get why mages are against it. Use a DB set and spam Firestorm at GVW and have half your casts proc a DB, with FS’s power coupled with DB you would likely drop anything made of pixels. A dex mage in a DB set and a rapid bow now that it stacks would be interesting.[/quote]
Because the dmg off a hit and 1 proc opposed to a hit and 6-7 procs going off does not exactly balance out. Would like to see a nerf to human soma mages or allow dex mages to get a bit more str and warriors a bit more md without sacrificing attack, its pretty hard to kill a mage whos got hero access and 5th axe which is pretty much all mages atm.[/quote]
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#62 2021/02/06 14:19:14 |
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Weaken pants / ear are pretty pointless most of the time. Better to just have a support spam weaken and try time it with your cast.
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#63 2021/02/06 14:32:06 |
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"SERB_SALE"Weaken pants / ear are pretty pointless most of the time. Better to just have a support spam weaken and try time it with your cast. I know weaken dont go off often if at all sometimes but you need numbers for that.....you guys have way more and all stoners- not ctisiing just stating an observation. Don't want a buff in weaken proc tho u will have all dl mages running around, if they nerfed proc to 1 proc per a cast - DL would still kill fast with the number of you there are lol.
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[quote="4634"][quote="SERB_SALE"]Weaken pants / ear are pretty pointless most of the time. Better to just have a support spam weaken and try time it with your cast.[/quote]
I know weaken dont go off often if at all sometimes but you need numbers for that.....you guys have way more and all stoners- not ctisiing just stating an observation. Don't want a buff in weaken proc tho u will have all dl mages running around, if they nerfed proc to 1 proc per a cast - DL would still kill fast with the number of you there are lol.[/quote]
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#64 2021/02/06 14:35:56 |
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@chojine - welcome back mate :P
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#65 2021/02/06 16:20:54 |
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I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned.
Kind of pointless to continue going for nerfs to mages after they have just been nerfed AND since there is no PVP on hsoma - it has not been tested. Focus should turn to knucks dominance on bosses and its overperformance on absolutely everything. Everyone is building knuck now. Bows with 300 - 450 recoil also?? On Dsoma, you have archers with 250 base dex and up to +80dex in gear. How is this ok??? I also fought Nuclear (won't be going near him again) the other day and he basically did 95% of my health with one hit + 2nd spear. Should i calls for nerfs to spear for this reason? Of course not there are ways to counter it just like there are ways to counter mages.
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[quote="CORLEONE"]I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned.
Kind of pointless to continue going for nerfs to mages after they have just been nerfed AND since there is no PVP on hsoma - it has not been tested.
Focus should turn to knucks dominance on bosses and its overperformance on absolutely everything. Everyone is building knuck now. Bows with 300 - 450 recoil also??
On Dsoma, you have archers with 250 base dex and up to +80dex in gear. How is this ok???
I also fought Nuclear (won't be going near him again) the other day and he basically did 95% of my health with one hit + 2nd spear. Should i calls for nerfs to spear for this reason? Of course not there are ways to counter it just like there are ways to counter mages. [/quote]
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#66 2021/02/06 16:47:50 |
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It really dose depend on the mages, pretty sure there’s a few people that can still 1 bang him with a weaken.
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#67 2021/02/06 17:18:15 |
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"CORLEONE"I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned. It doesnt happen often but when the cap was 125 and i was 225 int me and another mage went full proc prior to any proc changes. 2 mages head to head took off 99%. Look at the duels with quasi, shailo etc- where they do 2 hit rule only. 2 capped mages 2 hitting each other.....and ur telling me a warrior with 125-130 int cant get one banged? it dont happen often as it requires a high number of procs but evenw hen its not a one bang 90% + of their hp is drained so to me, an extra hit their pretyt much dead 85% of the time. assuming kgb has 130 int, for a warrior not to get 1 banged or to lose 90% of his hp he would have to have magic defence that would exceeed that of a mage with 230 int .....the reason kgb can hold his own so well imo is because hes one of the few geared enough to avoid those big procs most of the time and return the damage using his knuckle. Majority of the other weapons do not produce no where near the dmg of the nega knux.......and dont tlel me to go knuckle i find it boring. the only other weapont hat comes close is spear. If your being taken out with big dps that puts the mage at disadvanatge. it is impossible to out pot some knuckle users where most other weapons are easily maanged - even 4634 can outpot dares bow - whcih is insane given the recoil of that weapon
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[quote="4634"][quote="CORLEONE"]I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned.
Kind of pointless to continue going for nerfs to mages after they have just been nerfed AND since there is no PVP on hsoma - it has not been tested.
Focus should turn to knucks dominance on bosses and its overperformance on absolutely everything. Everyone is building knuck now. Bows with 300 - 450 recoil also??
On Dsoma, you have archers with 250 base dex and up to +80dex in gear. How is this ok???
I also fought Nuclear (won't be going near him again) the other day and he basically did 95% of my health with one hit + 2nd spear. Should i calls for nerfs to spear for this reason? Of course not there are ways to counter it just like there are ways to counter mages. [/quote]
It doesnt happen often but when the cap was 125 and i was 225 int me and another mage went full proc prior to any proc changes. 2 mages head to head took off 99%. Look at the duels with quasi, shailo etc- where they do 2 hit rule only. 2 capped mages 2 hitting each other.....and ur telling me a warrior with 125-130 int cant get one banged? it dont happen often as it requires a high number of procs but evenw hen its not a one bang 90% + of their hp is drained so to me, an extra hit their pretyt much dead 85% of the time. assuming kgb has 130 int, for a warrior not to get 1 banged or to lose 90% of his hp he would have to have magic defence that would exceeed that of a mage with 230 int .....the reason kgb can hold his own so well imo is because hes one of the few geared enough to avoid those big procs most of the time and return the damage using his knuckle. Majority of the other weapons do not produce no where near the dmg of the nega knux.......and dont tlel me to go knuckle i find it boring. the only other weapont hat comes close is spear.
If your being taken out with big dps that puts the mage at disadvanatge. it is impossible to out pot some knuckle users where most other weapons are easily maanged - even 4634 can outpot dares bow - whcih is insane given the recoil of that weapon[/quote]
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#68 2021/02/06 19:33:39 |
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least proc back as should be was bug what u was doing know was going happen
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#69 2021/02/06 22:27:36 |
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You outpot dare barely who’s still lvl 126 0% using full dex accses and Eva ? Well done lad
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#70 2021/02/06 22:36:27 |
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"BIGBIRDIE"You outpot dare barely who’s still lvl 126 0% using full dex accses and Eva ? Well done lad Not knocking dare he’s a strong player and decent pvper. Wonder why he put titus pads on when we was fighting before from when he switched from nightmare. I got better expectations for him than to fight a mage in evasion and dex gear. Maybe in group Pvp he might do that? But fighting a mage I think he’s smarter than that.....
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[quote="4634"][quote="BIGBIRDIE"]You outpot dare barely who’s still lvl 126 0% using full dex accses and Eva ? Well done lad [/quote]
Not knocking dare he’s a strong player and decent pvper.
Wonder why he put titus pads on when we was fighting before from when he switched from nightmare. I got better expectations for him than to fight a mage in evasion and dex gear. Maybe in group Pvp he might do that? But fighting a mage I think he’s smarter than that.....[/quote]
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#71 2021/02/06 23:07:50 |
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There is no way you outpot either of the +8 int nega bows.
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#72 2021/02/07 09:41:25 |
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"OPENTHEDOOR"There is no way you outpot either of the +8 int nega bows. Please see video posted in discord a few months back ty. |
#73 2021/02/07 09:57:24 |
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"CORLEONE"I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned. I get what your saying Eric, but you cannot base everything on KGB. He has some of the best gear in game. If we were to remove the outliers - best and worst - and focus on the population, I’d recon you’d see one bangs, it’s definitely noticeable on dsoma with MD gear or not. I’m not saying get rid of proc, should just be limited to one proc per cast. Cannot speak for hsoma as have only PvP’d a handful of times so not got a lot of experience to draw from. Always said dsoma archers are overpowered with dex gear, as an axer I’m lucky to hit one with acc gear and maxed dex, that’s before you get to some of the stupid dex gear about, in addition to the high dex, you have archers with atk gear and they rarely miss but pack a punch that takes significant chunks of health off... there is need of nerf there in my opinion. Spear with 2nd is brutal, but is based on being near. I have seen calls for spears acc to go up, always been dead against it as you have a aura that hits every time every 6 seconds... Also to finish this up, Nega spears carry more damage than nega axes now... so axers don’t even have their base powerful weps to help them out (check out the base stats in armoury of nega vs. Second to last wep on dsoma for an example). Back to your original point though, maybe let’s see what happens over the next month to see if further tweaks are required.
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[quote="AXOM"][quote="CORLEONE"]I'm yet to witness a 1 bang on Hsoma. I would assume it possible to someone with 100int but surely that is not a balance issue as they choose what to do with their own character. KGB says he can tank two mages with ease in his ancient gear so obviously it just doesn't happen. However, a warrior can tank a stone to me but I cannot tank a stone versus a knuck user. I die every single time i get stoned.
Kind of pointless to continue going for nerfs to mages after they have just been nerfed AND since there is no PVP on hsoma - it has not been tested.
Focus should turn to knucks dominance on bosses and its overperformance on absolutely everything. Everyone is building knuck now. Bows with 300 - 450 recoil also??
On Dsoma, you have archers with 250 base dex and up to +80dex in gear. How is this ok???
I also fought Nuclear (won't be going near him again) the other day and he basically did 95% of my health with one hit + 2nd spear. Should i calls for nerfs to spear for this reason? Of course not there are ways to counter it just like there are ways to counter mages. [/quote]
I get what your saying Eric, but you cannot base everything on KGB. He has some of the best gear in game. If we were to remove the outliers - best and worst - and focus on the population, I’d recon you’d see one bangs, it’s definitely noticeable on dsoma with MD gear or not. I’m not saying get rid of proc, should just be limited to one proc per cast. Cannot speak for hsoma as have only PvP’d a handful of times so not got a lot of experience to draw from.
Always said dsoma archers are overpowered with dex gear, as an axer I’m lucky to hit one with acc gear and maxed dex, that’s before you get to some of the stupid dex gear about, in addition to the high dex, you have archers with atk gear and they rarely miss but pack a punch that takes significant chunks of health off... there is need of nerf there in my opinion.
Spear with 2nd is brutal, but is based on being near. I have seen calls for spears acc to go up, always been dead against it as you have a aura that hits every time every 6 seconds...
Also to finish this up, Nega spears carry more damage than nega axes now... so axers don’t even have their base powerful weps to help them out (check out the base stats in armoury of nega vs. Second to last wep on dsoma for an example).
Back to your original point though, maybe let’s see what happens over the next month to see if further tweaks are required. [/quote]
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#74 2021/02/07 11:38:57 |
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2nd spear does need a much bigger cooldown imo
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#75 2021/02/07 14:08:45 |
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