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"JACKELPUP"If you want players who have left to come back you need to consider why they left. That is what is being discussed. Being fed up can be attributed to content. Not lack there of but the variety of levelling path options. There is a distinct levelling path with a large proportion of mobs not used. Diversify the route by taking key mobs stats and importing them to less used mobs. "JACKELPUP" How serious can a SomaProblem be really? There are established and for the most part followed conduct rules in place to prevent most of the harassment that went on early game. "JACKELPUP" The botters for the most part have been wiped out due to active community reporting and iSylver's "RESPOND" techniques which sends fear into the hearts of everyone with one eye on tv. Don't even understand the "I'm superior" statement. You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about not a lot and to come on to a thread geared at community improvement to moan about it - maybe you should clean your own act?
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="JACKELPUP"]If you want players who have left to come back you need to consider why they left.
“Improving” the game is something that has an infinite mindset (it’s always going to be relative to what already exists).
How many people left because they got fed up ? Most ?
How many of the people who were fed up were fed up with the game content ? (I suspect very few)
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That is what is being discussed. Being fed up can be attributed to content. Not lack there of but the variety of levelling path options. There is a distinct levelling path with a large proportion of mobs not used. Diversify the route by taking key mobs stats and importing them to less used mobs.
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How many people left because of “problems” with other players ? (I suspect a lot)
Asking for game improvements is fine (I guess) but expecting them when we (generically) are causing player loss is a mis-priority.
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How serious can a SomaProblem be really? There are established and for the most part followed conduct rules in place to prevent most of the harassment that went on early game.
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I know some people are capped and are becoming “bored” but the majority are not capped and have a long way to go. The AFK botting, the piloting, the playing of the “I’m superior” card and the harassment (I have no idea why Bradley-C is still around after the amount of abuse he has suffered) has (in my opinion) been a big “off put” for most of us.
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The botters for the most part have been wiped out due to active community reporting and iSylver's "RESPOND" techniques which sends fear into the hearts of everyone with one eye on tv.
Don't even understand the "I'm superior" statement.
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about not a lot and to come on to a thread geared at community improvement to moan about it - maybe you should clean your own act?[/quote]
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#16 2014/10/22 10:52:22 |
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"LUPISCUS""GENEFUSER"I'd come back and play more if it wasn't mandatory to level up with a healer. You've obviously never played dsoma passed the wbm stage then or you'd understand what he's saying. These mobs are really high minimum damage with one casting 4th axe with 180 dex. The only classes that don't really need a healer are archers and knucklers.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="GENEFUSER"]I'd come back and play more if it wasn't mandatory to level up with a healer.
The min dmg change has slowed down leveling so much that I can't justify the time investment.[/quote]
Its not mandatory to level up with a healer [/quote]
You've obviously never played dsoma passed the wbm stage then or you'd understand what he's saying.
These mobs are really high minimum damage with one casting 4th axe with 180 dex. The only classes that don't really need a healer are archers and knucklers. [/quote]
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#17 2014/10/22 11:17:16 |
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Lupi, i'll paint the picture for you.
Hogs have (close to) 100% hitrate on me, they deal up to 50 minimum damage a hit. They also use 4th axe aura and they take quite some time to die. If I have one hog on me, I require anywhere up to 20 +100hp pots to kill it. Anymore than one and you see where that's headed. Then we have Apai, who do not have 4th axe aura but they have incredibly high range and aggro range, they hit for up to 70 minimum damage and have even more HP than hogs, they too hit with close to 100% accuracy. Bare in mind that we cannot heal ourselves and that knucklers and archers of similar level can take on multiple of these monsters at once without requiring a healer as they are never hit. I knew as soon as the min dmg was introduced, this would happen. A much more sensible approach (considering these 2 monsters were supposed to be designed for the str users) would've been to increase their attack damage to an extent where you need to have high str to hunt them, completely remove the minimum damage concept and have the change that Finito said he could do, which would be to have a cap on how high one's evasion vs. monsters can get. This will stop the obscenely high dex classes from 'cheesing' the game by never being hit, and also allow the progressive increase in power for str classes. As it stands, i'll take the same damage now from hogs as I will at level 100. And still be hit 100% of the time.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]Lupi, i'll paint the picture for you.
Hogs have (close to) 100% hitrate on me, they deal up to 50 minimum damage a hit.
They also use 4th axe aura and they take quite some time to die.
If I have one hog on me, I require anywhere up to 20 +100hp pots to kill it.
Anymore than one and you see where that's headed.
Then we have Apai, who do not have 4th axe aura but they have incredibly high range and aggro range, they hit for up to 70 minimum damage and have even more HP than hogs, they too hit with close to 100% accuracy.
Bare in mind that we cannot heal ourselves and that knucklers and archers of similar level can take on multiple of these monsters at once without requiring a healer as they are never hit.
I knew as soon as the min dmg was introduced, this would happen. A much more sensible approach (considering these 2 monsters were supposed to be designed for the str users) would've been to increase their attack damage to an extent where you need to have high str to hunt them, completely remove the minimum damage concept and have the change that Finito said he could do, which would be to have a cap on how high one's evasion vs. monsters can get.
This will stop the obscenely high dex classes from 'cheesing' the game by never being hit, and also allow the progressive increase in power for str classes.
As it stands, i'll take the same damage now from hogs as I will at level 100. And still be hit 100% of the time.[/quote]
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#18 2014/10/22 12:08:09 |
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"GENEFUSER" Seems easier to just apply a minimum hit rate for the mobs, if it all possible. |
#19 2014/10/22 12:16:40 |
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That would be great, have a minimum hit rate on monsters, making it impossible to attain 100% (or close) eva.
The min damage is just too much with such tanky + accurate monsters. Removedtoast told me he hunted Apai without a healer for his last few levels (well, it's impossible to hunt Apai with a healer, it'll get destroyed) and said they just never hit him.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"]That would be great, have a minimum hit rate on monsters, making it impossible to attain 100% (or close) eva.
The min damage is just too much with such tanky + accurate monsters.
Removedtoast told me he hunted Apai without a healer for his last few levels (well, it's impossible to hunt Apai with a healer, it'll get destroyed) and said they just never hit him.[/quote]
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#20 2014/10/22 12:23:19 |
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Is the grind a big reason people left?
I like the idea of triple exp once a month for a couple of days. It's a bit like cod when I see that triple exp weekend I always jump on, then find my self hooked for another month. Maybe triple exp would give people that break from the grind gaining 0.1 Dex every 45mins at 67 Dex. Who really enjoys 0.1 Dex every hour?!?! I dunno what Dex gains are like at 95 Dex?
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[quote="BASIL"]Is the grind a big reason people left?
I like the idea of triple exp once a month for a couple of days.
It's a bit like cod when I see that triple exp weekend I always jump on, then find my self hooked for another month.
Maybe triple exp would give people that break from the grind gaining 0.1 Dex every 45mins at 67 Dex. Who really enjoys 0.1 Dex every hour?!?! I dunno what Dex gains are like at 95 Dex? [/quote]
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#21 2014/10/22 13:03:20 |
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the grind and the lack of item drops to keep me hunting are the main reasons I stopped, I still pop in now and again, but atm I find levelling just to boaring
Cant play hsoma past the lvl 50 point as I feel im ruining my item repairing without SR and I dislike crafting that I wont ever get SR
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[quote="JAHEIRA"]the grind and the lack of item drops to keep me hunting are the main reasons I stopped, I still pop in now and again, but atm I find levelling just to boaring
Cant play hsoma past the lvl 50 point as I feel im ruining my item repairing without SR and I dislike crafting that I wont ever get SR[/quote]
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#22 2014/10/22 13:10:43 |
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"BASIL"Is the grind a big reason people left? 450 mins for 1 whole dex doesn't seem that gruelling to me lol
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[quote="GLU"][quote="BASIL"]Is the grind a big reason people left?
I like the idea of triple exp once a month for a couple of days.
It's a bit like cod when I see that triple exp weekend I always jump on, then find my self hooked for another month.
Maybe triple exp would give people that break from the grind gaining 0.1 Dex every 45mins at 67 Dex. Who really enjoys 0.1 Dex every hour?!?! I dunno what Dex gains are like at 95 Dex? [/quote]
450 mins for 1 whole dex doesn't seem that gruelling to me lol[/quote]
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#23 2014/10/22 13:12:19 |
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"KAIDONE" I didn’t say that. Moreover, I wasn’t talking about “me”, I was referring to precisely the same people (and others) that you referred to here; "KAIDONE" "KAIDONE" I am not sure that reporting someone for cheating is the same as being a “gobshite” "KAIDONE" I completely accept PKing [i]per se[/i]. What I don’t accept (and I don’t expect others will accept either) is having a personal war waged by someone who got caught cheating who then makes it their specific business to make Soma life miserable or impossible for you. …. And my keyboard is just fine 8) Iphios, you don’t seem to have grasped the point(s) I was making. I was not dispelling making game improvements, I was suggesting that the inherent problems be addressed and “player loss” reduced before “we” lean on the GMs to add more game content (basically, what incentive do they have to keep improving the game if the players screw it all up?) "IPHIOS" The “bees” are about AFK Botters, Pilots, cheaters and harassment (the kind that Kaidone referred to). I take your point that there are processes in place for this but it doesn’t stop people cheating or taking advantage. When an AFK player was “caught” in Merc and was griefed until he dropped all his gear a number of people actively campaigned to get him his stuff back. I know the “assailant” was PKing in town and two wrongs don’t make a right but what kind of signal does that give to the GMs who have forbidden this kind of cheating only then to be asked “can you add more content please?” All I suggested is that we should clean up our own acts (I didn’t exclude myself) before demands/suggestions are levied on GMs. "IPHIOS" Well, I don’t bot, pilot or have anyone else playing my character. I don’t cheat, I don’t PK. The only thing I do is shout a lot when there is a problem (problems like the one in the now deleted thread about a particular guild “parking” Devs in Conti and preventing other players from hunting there). What else can a lower level character do ? Seriously, I am all for game improvements and I am not “moaning” about anything that has happened to “me” – I am generalising that is we want the GMs to do more for us, we should (at least) play by the rules. 8) Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="KAIDONE"]
…. theres still "bullying" in game … [/quote]
I didn’t say that. Moreover, I wasn’t talking about “me”, I was referring to precisely the same people (and others) that you referred to here;
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the majority of us left over mainly FT and no_mercy not sure on arcanix tbh never had anything to do with them have gone through 10x anyone In your guild has. [/quote]
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you are obvious biased towards the way some people are now because of recent events you've had, if you wasn't a gobshite to those guys …. [/quote]
I am not sure that reporting someone for cheating is the same as being a “gobshite”
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I suggest you play sportsman like and accept pking/multying as the way it has always been instead of beating your keyboard up.[/quote]
I completely accept PKing [i]per se[/i]. What I don’t accept (and I don’t expect others will accept either) is having a personal war waged by someone who got caught cheating who then makes it their specific business to make Soma life miserable or impossible for you.
…. And my keyboard is just fine 8)
Iphios, you don’t seem to have grasped the point(s) I was making. I was not dispelling making game improvements, I was suggesting that the inherent problems be addressed and “player loss” reduced before “we” lean on the GMs to add more game content (basically, what incentive do they have to keep improving the game if the players screw it all up?)
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You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about not a lot and to come on to a thread geared at community improvement to moan about it[/quote]
The “bees” are about AFK Botters, Pilots, cheaters and harassment (the kind that Kaidone referred to). I take your point that there are processes in place for this but it doesn’t stop people cheating or taking advantage. When an AFK player was “caught” in Merc and was griefed until he dropped all his gear a number of people actively campaigned to get him his stuff back. I know the “assailant” was PKing in town and two wrongs don’t make a right but what kind of signal does that give to the GMs who have forbidden this kind of cheating only then to be asked “can you add more content please?”
All I suggested is that we should clean up our own acts (I didn’t exclude myself) before demands/suggestions are levied on GMs.
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…. maybe you should clean your own act?[/quote]
Well, I don’t bot, pilot or have anyone else playing my character. I don’t cheat, I don’t PK. The only thing I do is shout a lot when there is a problem (problems like the one in the now deleted thread about a particular guild “parking” Devs in Conti and preventing other players from hunting there). What else can a lower level character do ?
Seriously, I am all for game improvements and I am not “moaning” about anything that has happened to “me” – I am generalising that is we want the GMs to do more for us, we should (at least) play by the rules.
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#24 2014/10/22 14:08:04 |
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"CARNAGE""LUPISCUS""GENEFUSER"I'd come back and play more if it wasn't mandatory to level up with a healer. You're right..ive nevr played dsoma past the '' have a qwik look and carry on with my human'' stage If healers are a necessity, why cant we open 2 clients without fannyng around closing launchers etc?
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="GENEFUSER"]I'd come back and play more if it wasn't mandatory to level up with a healer.
The min dmg change has slowed down leveling so much that I can't justify the time investment.[/quote]
Its not mandatory to level up with a healer [/quote]
You've obviously never played dsoma passed the wbm stage then or you'd understand what he's saying.
These mobs are really high minimum damage with one casting 4th axe with 180 dex. The only classes that don't really need a healer are archers and knucklers. [/quote]
You're right..ive nevr played dsoma past the '' have a qwik look and carry on with my human'' stage
If healers are a necessity, why cant we open 2 clients without fannyng around closing launchers etc?[/quote]
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#25 2014/10/22 14:20:52 |
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"JACKELPUP" I understood the points you were making however the rules currently in place are adhered to for the most part making the harassment you speak of a thing of the past. Also yoshi called for more than GM improvements in terms of player development by those who are capable. Whilst also having a discussion of what could further aid the level grinding that people become tired of. I think everyone here wants the game to succeed hence the posts of a constructive nature above. "JACKELPUP""IPHIOS" It wasn't the fact that said person should have his items returned. It was the fact someone else benefited from breaking the rules. Ban the char if that's what the GM seen fit however do the same for the items which were gained through breaking the rules. - I know that was just an example but .. not a good one. People naturally when faced with a laborious task - find a short cut. Through legit means or otherwise. It is up to the community and the GMs to mitigate this happening but not everyone will stop. That doesn't mean the ideas, suggestions and development pages should be closed down. The vast majority play by legit (as per soma rules - not moral compass) means. "JACKELPUP""IPHIOS" The above quote was my being an arse - forget it. I know you went tonto about being pked that one time way back when by Braindata. You don't PK as your game isn't about that which is fine. For some people their game is about that - those same people may leave if they don't get to pk also. Pking isn't really all that serious and has no real consequences other than a laugh if it's a semi fair fight. The harassment rules prevent anything out of order happening anyway. iSylver also explicitly expressed his rage for people working cross race. Several bans have been handed out for this already. If you see a break of the rules pm Ghost/iSylver etc using the template outlined by Ghostlord. It doesn't need relentless moaning via forums. (not directed at you specifically - kinda)
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[quote="IPHIOS"][quote="JACKELPUP"]
Iphios, you don’t seem to have grasped the point(s) I was making. I was not dispelling making game improvements, I was suggesting that the inherent problems be addressed and “player loss” reduced before “we” lean on the GMs to add more game content (basically, what incentive do they have to keep improving the game if the players screw it all up?)
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I understood the points you were making however the rules currently in place are adhered to for the most part making the harassment you speak of a thing of the past. Also yoshi called for more than GM improvements in terms of player development by those who are capable. Whilst also having a discussion of what could further aid the level grinding that people become tired of.
I think everyone here wants the game to succeed hence the posts of a constructive nature above.
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[quote="IPHIOS"]
You seem to have a bee in your bonnet about not a lot and to come on to a thread geared at community improvement to moan about it[/quote]
The “bees” are about AFK Botters, Pilots, cheaters and harassment (the kind that Kaidone referred to). I take your point that there are processes in place for this but it doesn’t stop people cheating or taking advantage. When an AFK player was “caught” in Merc and was griefed until he dropped all his gear a number of people actively campaigned to get him his stuff back. I know the “assailant” was PKing in town and two wrongs don’t make a right but what kind of signal does that give to the GMs who have forbidden this kind of cheating only then to be asked “can you add more content please?”
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It wasn't the fact that said person should have his items returned. It was the fact someone else benefited from breaking the rules. Ban the char if that's what the GM seen fit however do the same for the items which were gained through breaking the rules. - I know that was just an example but .. not a good one.
People naturally when faced with a laborious task - find a short cut. Through legit means or otherwise. It is up to the community and the GMs to mitigate this happening but not everyone will stop. That doesn't mean the ideas, suggestions and development pages should be closed down. The vast majority play by legit (as per soma rules - not moral compass) means.
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[quote="IPHIOS"]
…. maybe you should clean your own act?[/quote]
Well, I don’t bot, pilot or have anyone else playing my character. I don’t cheat, I don’t PK. The only thing I do is shout a lot when there is a problem (problems like the one in the now deleted thread about a particular guild “parking” Devs in Conti and preventing other players from hunting there). What else can a lower level character do ?
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The above quote was my being an arse - forget it.
I know you went tonto about being pked that one time way back when by Braindata. You don't PK as your game isn't about that which is fine. For some people their game is about that - those same people may leave if they don't get to pk also. Pking isn't really all that serious and has no real consequences other than a laugh if it's a semi fair fight. The harassment rules prevent anything out of order happening anyway.
iSylver also explicitly expressed his rage for people working cross race. Several bans have been handed out for this already.
If you see a break of the rules pm Ghost/iSylver etc using the template outlined by Ghostlord. It doesn't need relentless moaning via forums. (not directed at you specifically - kinda)[/quote]
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#26 2014/10/22 14:46:40 |
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IPHIOS |
Went to proofread my own post back there.
TL;DR :( |
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JACKELPUP |
"IPHIOS" .... people may leave if they don't get to pk also. Yes, appreciated and I agree with your sentiments in the body of your post above. 8) Jac |
#28 2014/10/22 15:35:50 |
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Maybe if there wasn't shit going on, like the ddos attack and legal action, people doing this and that all over forums etc... there might have been new stuff by now and people might shit be around
Lack of motivation, end game content I believe our all to do with people leaving Triple exp would be nice but isn't it unfair on the people that have done all the hard work and got to 90-100? raising free rested to 40 and raising exp gains on mobs by a % for faster gain not enough? I believe triple exp idea is more to help the higher end people to get capped raised and more end game content added more quickly if more people hit cap quicker Honestly think we are lucky to get a Halloween event and a patch after the way things have been. we are also very lucky to have very active gm's We say we have a great community which I believe we do but do we really? this could also be a factor in player's leaving and new people not joining
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[quote="RAVER"]Maybe if there wasn't shit going on, like the ddos attack and legal action, people doing this and that all over forums etc... there might have been new stuff by now and people might shit be around
Lack of motivation, end game content I believe our all to do with people leaving
Triple exp would be nice but isn't it unfair on the people that have done all the hard work and got to 90-100?
raising free rested to 40 and raising exp gains on mobs by a % for faster gain not enough?
I believe triple exp idea is more to help the higher end people to get capped raised and more end game content added more quickly if more people hit cap quicker
Honestly think we are lucky to get a Halloween event and a patch after the way things have been. we are also very lucky to have very active gm's
We say we have a great community which I believe we do but do we really? this could also be a factor in player's leaving and new people not joining[/quote]
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#29 2014/10/22 18:22:01 |
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"GENEFUSER" Probably one of the main reasons I've come to dislike dsoma these days. Cheese mobs, cheese players as well. On a side note though it's kinda funny hogs used to be even worse before they had their aggro range adjusted, chasing for nearly one and a half screens.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="GENEFUSER"]
This will stop the obscenely high dex classes from 'cheesing' the game by never being hit, and also allow the progressive increase in power for str classes.[/quote]
Probably one of the main reasons I've come to dislike dsoma these days. Cheese mobs, cheese players as well. On a side note though it's kinda funny hogs used to be even worse before they had their aggro range adjusted, chasing for nearly one and a half screens. [/quote]
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