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As the first to achieve 100% evasion on this server :D with a full 5% set and nux dodge i feel i should comment.
This occurred in Jan 2014, 1 YEAR AGO, and i was able to demonstrate to the whole server that 100% evasion was possible and attainable. Firstly with my full 5% eva set +x2 rof, i had like 80 dex and i could just about manage 100% on dws (57dex). Simply put, it was shit! However i figured if i had a full 7% set i would get it on warmess, which was alot closer to being "in the money" and being useful. So i broke the 5% set, 3 in a row in 1 min fs, in fact i've broken 8/9 5% bits attempting to go for 6% alone. And as yoshi said it was attainable, and many went for it and built there characters around it, most likely taking a longer term view beyond the lvl 100 cap. Dedication. Anyone who can get it work for them, deserves it. Assuming 50/50 chance at making a DP and 50/50 chance to upgrade, for a neutral chance?? A dp = 20 frog / 10 herb +1 3% = 40 frog / 20 herb +2 4% = 80 frog / 40 herb +3 5% = 160 frog / 80 herb +4 6% = 320 frog / 160 herb +5 7% = 620 frog / 320 herb Three 7% evasion pieces = 1860 frog / 960 herb Say u can average finding a frog every 30 mins, thats 930 hrs of game time, which is 38.75 solid days. Just counting the frogs. Even if u though u cud buy the frogs at 100k apc and herbs at 50k apc. That's 186 million for the frogs and 96 million for the herbs. And for the purpose of example :p If Bradley Cole is only able to last 2 mins in bed... Bradley is able to reproduce 27,900 times in same time it takes to find enough frogs to have a neutral chance of making a 7% set :p
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[quote="ALFACHINO"]As the first to achieve 100% evasion on this server :D with a full 5% set and nux dodge i feel i should comment.
This occurred in Jan 2014, 1 YEAR AGO, and i was able to demonstrate to the whole server that 100% evasion was possible and attainable.
Firstly with my full 5% eva set +x2 rof, i had like 80 dex and i could just about manage 100% on dws (57dex).
Simply put, it was shit!
However i figured if i had a full 7% set i would get it on warmess, which was alot closer to being "in the money" and being useful. So i broke the 5% set, 3 in a row in 1 min fs, in fact i've broken 8/9 5% bits attempting to go for 6% alone.
And as yoshi said it was attainable, and many went for it and built there characters around it, most likely taking a longer term view beyond the lvl 100 cap. Dedication.
Anyone who can get it work for them, deserves it.
Assuming 50/50 chance at making a DP and 50/50 chance to upgrade, for a neutral chance??
A dp = 20 frog / 10 herb
+1 3% = 40 frog / 20 herb
+2 4% = 80 frog / 40 herb
+3 5% = 160 frog / 80 herb
+4 6% = 320 frog / 160 herb
+5 7% = 620 frog / 320 herb
Three 7% evasion pieces = 1860 frog / 960 herb
Say u can average finding a frog every 30 mins, thats 930 hrs of game time, which is 38.75 solid days. Just counting the frogs.
Even if u though u cud buy the frogs at 100k apc and herbs at 50k apc.
That's 186 million for the frogs and 96 million for the herbs.
And for the purpose of example :p
If Bradley Cole is only able to last 2 mins in bed... Bradley is able to reproduce 27,900 times in same time it takes to find enough frogs to have a neutral chance of making a 7% set :p[/quote]
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#136 2015/01/27 14:43:34 |
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You're basing it all on having done everything solo...
Something that doesn't apply in Soma. In addition, you're using the argument that because it's a lengthy process, the reward of being unhittable by any character ingame, is justified. No, just no. |
#137 2015/01/27 14:49:45 |
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Regardless of whether it takes 1920 frogs or 39595 frogs and takes 5 years to achieve.
If 100% eva wasn't supposed to be in game, its not supposed to be in game. Just because its hard doesn't justify its existence |
#138 2015/01/27 15:02:10 |
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JACKELPUP |
Very helpful and illuminating post by Alfachino.
Regardless of whether we each agree with 100% or not, it does demonstrate that a number of players have been working specifically towards it (also noted by other players earlier). Humans Vs. Devils argument is poor; the two races have clearly different attributes with clearly different strengths and weaknesses to their personas. Fight an apposing faction "at risk". Mobs, on the other hand, are known quantums. Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"]Very helpful and illuminating post by Alfachino.
Regardless of whether we each agree with 100% or not, it does demonstrate that a number of players have been working specifically towards it (also noted by other players earlier).
Humans Vs. Devils argument is poor; the two races have clearly different attributes with clearly different strengths and weaknesses to their personas. Fight an apposing faction "at risk". Mobs, on the other hand, are known quantums.
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#139 2015/01/27 15:04:33 |
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JACKELPUP |
"FUJITORA" I agree completely. Since it was already in existence, what was the justification in removing it ? Jac. NB. Just saying it wasn't supposed to be doesn't address the question - it's the "why" that matters 8)
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[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="FUJITORA"]
Just because its hard doesn't justify its existence[/quote]
I agree completely.
Since it was already in existence, what was the justification in removing it ?
Jac.
NB. Just saying it wasn't supposed to be doesn't address the question - it's the "why" that matters 8)
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#140 2015/01/27 15:07:34 |
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FUJITORA |
It wasn't supposed to be in existence in the first place, as stated by Isylver it was a bug.
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#141 2015/01/27 15:10:45 |
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ALFACHINO |
infact its probs prob longer than 30mins a frog, maybe with higher int 30mins.
Still 930 hrs, u cud achieve some shit in ur real life with 930 hrs lol |
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"FUJITORA"It wasn't supposed to be in existence in the first place, as stated by Isylver it was a bug. Then leave it at 99% as it is, regardless if it was meant to be in game or not. Everyone knew fine well from when he got 100% and proved you could get 100% on this server, why didn't people pipe up and/or speak out then about this? @S0rc. Leave it at 99% for PVP, maybe it'd need changing for RVR but again we have the same old problem, unless you have 100% without dodge, any class will literally 2/3 hit you (As what happens with me and genefuser). This also leaves you massively open to being raped by every other class due to low str/high dex. PVP/RVR is generally all about working in groups so in all honesty, i'd say leave it the way it is. If it's limited to 80/90% evasion/accuracy then it'll make people having alot higher dex totally pointless, so sadly i'm going to say i'll have to agree with Hurricane (Never thought i'd say that!)
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="FUJITORA"]It wasn't supposed to be in existence in the first place, as stated by Isylver it was a bug.[/quote]
Then leave it at 99% as it is, regardless if it was meant to be in game or not. Everyone knew fine well from when he got 100% and proved you could get 100% on this server, why didn't people pipe up and/or speak out then about this?
@S0rc.
Leave it at 99% for PVP, maybe it'd need changing for RVR but again we have the same old problem, unless you have 100% without dodge, any class will literally 2/3 hit you (As what happens with me and genefuser). This also leaves you massively open to being raped by every other class due to low str/high dex.
PVP/RVR is generally all about working in groups so in all honesty, i'd say leave it the way it is. If it's limited to 80/90% evasion/accuracy then it'll make people having alot higher dex totally pointless, so sadly i'm going to say i'll have to agree with Hurricane (Never thought i'd say that!)[/quote]
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#143 2015/01/27 16:07:37 |
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BRADC |
"BRAVE""BRADC"Fair enough If you think masturbation requires skill then I guess yes
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[quote="BRADC"][quote="BRAVE"][quote="BRADC"]Fair enough
Add me on this for an actual challenge, 1on1 ;p? and I'll show you real dexterity ;]
Dexterity;
Skill in performing tasks, especially with the hands.[/quote]
So all high dex chars are good wankers? :)
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If you think masturbation requires skill then I guess yes[/quote]
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#144 2015/01/27 20:06:51 |
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"HURRICANO""YOSHIMITSU""GHOSTLORD" Did have a box of tissues somewhere but I think I dropped them when I got killed due to having 99% evasion rate :( Sorry bru I've been Brad Cole Edit: "S0RCERER"You're basing it all on having done everything solo... Was always down to earth back in esoma and can see that your still a legend and know exactly what your on about :) It seems most players on here are most likely benefits receiving, once a month visiting the GP with some odd excuse that they can't work kind of people who don't really posses much intelligence, I'm surprised you have managed to hang around here for so long bro. Hope you all good anyway bro
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[quote="BRADC"][quote="HURRICANO"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="GHOSTLORD"]
Anyway concerning RvR and other issues I'm still rooting for a cap of 80% or 90% eva/hit rate. I see that this is too low for PvE but I'd still look very carefully at the option of 90-95% max.
When I said 'hsoma evasion is fine' which was quoted in this thread... I meant how you are getting it. How easy it is to achieve. The caps are another story and are highly debatable.
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Disagree with this 1000% for same race PVP. People knew that 100% evasion (Or high %) was acheivable, if they've gone brute str/dex and minimal dex why should they be able to hit someone who's done pure dex and got very little int and 20/30 less str?[/quote]
+1, us dexers have chose to hunt for that extra 15-20dex more just to have it taken away from us would make that wasted xp.[/quote]
Did have a box of tissues somewhere but I think I dropped them when I got killed due to having 99% evasion rate :( Sorry bru
I've been Brad Cole
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[quote="S0RCERER"]You're basing it all on having done everything solo...
Something that doesn't apply in Soma.
In addition, you're using the argument that because it's a lengthy process, the reward of being unhittable by any character ingame, is justified.
No, just no.[/quote]
Was always down to earth back in esoma and can see that your still a legend and know exactly what your on about :)
It seems most players on here are most likely benefits receiving, once a month visiting the GP with some odd excuse that they can't work kind of people who don't really posses much intelligence, I'm surprised you have managed to hang around here for so long bro.
Hope you all good anyway bro[/quote]
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#145 2015/01/27 20:07:55 |
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stop being idiots.
You lot fail to understand getting 100% Eva on a DW is different to BLG the endgame mob. There was a big big soft dex cap at 100. This was then removed and something that wasn't meant to be ingame and wasn't thought possible, suddenly was. That has now been reduced by 1 whole %. Get over it. It isn't game breaking.
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[quote="STYLE"]stop being idiots.
You lot fail to understand getting 100% Eva on a DW is different to BLG the endgame mob.
There was a big big soft dex cap at 100. This was then removed and something that wasn't meant to be ingame and wasn't thought possible, suddenly was.
That has now been reduced by 1 whole %. Get over it. It isn't game breaking. [/quote]
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#146 2015/01/27 21:58:48 |
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"JACKELPUP" I don't get this part. Finito can do seperate things for RvR, PvP and PvE. So rather than a poor argument it's another scenario to think about?
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JACKELPUP"]
Humans Vs. Devils argument is poor; the two races have clearly different attributes with clearly different strengths and weaknesses to their personas. Fight an apposing faction "at risk". Mobs, on the other hand, are known quantums.
Jac[/quote]
I don't get this part. Finito can do seperate things for RvR, PvP and PvE. So rather than a poor argument it's another scenario to think about?
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#147 2015/01/28 08:33:26 |
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"GHOSTLORD".......it's another scenario to think about? Yes I completely agree and your wording is better than mine. The "make-up" of a Devil is very different to that of a Human and there are clear differences between the two given each races various advantages in differing circumstances. What I was trying to say is that, nerfing (or removing) one potential advantage in one circumstance (from either side and in relation to any issue) is a "poor argument" per se. As you point out, it would be just one scenario and in the interests of balance you would need to look at all of the varying circumstances, possibilities and scenarios (which I guess no one will ever do). Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="GHOSTLORD"].......it's another scenario to think about?
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Yes I completely agree and your wording is better than mine.
The "make-up" of a Devil is very different to that of a Human and there are clear differences between the two given each races various advantages in differing circumstances.
What I was trying to say is that, nerfing (or removing) [b]one potential advantage in one circumstance[/b] (from either side and in relation to any issue) is a "poor argument" per se.
As you point out, it would be just one scenario and in the interests of balance you would need to look at all of the varying circumstances, possibilities and scenarios (which I guess no one will ever do).
Jac
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#148 2015/01/28 12:03:17 |
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There has been an observation made regarding evasion though.
That is that having an absolute vs a monster (i.e. 100%) was far too high an advantage for that style of play (dex route). You can hunt for the entire day without ever spending a potion, repairing your items or visiting town. Take a full inventory of weapons, nothing else, and just keep hunting for that zeropointone. No other style of play can do anything quite like that.
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[quote="S0RCERER"]There has been an observation made regarding evasion though.
That is that having an absolute vs a monster (i.e. 100%) was far too high an advantage for that style of play (dex route).
You can hunt for the entire day without ever spending a potion, repairing your items or visiting town.
Take a full inventory of weapons, nothing else, and just keep hunting for that zeropointone.
No other style of play can do anything quite like that.[/quote]
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#149 2015/01/28 12:11:26 |
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"JACKELPUP""GHOSTLORD".......it's another scenario to think about? Luckily we can seperate the different (pve, pvp, rvr) scenarios and apply the numbers that we see as a best fit.
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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="GHOSTLORD"].......it's another scenario to think about?
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As you point out, it would be just one scenario and in the interests of balance you would need to look at all of the varying circumstances, possibilities and scenarios (which I guess no one will ever do).
Jac
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Luckily we can seperate the different (pve, pvp, rvr) scenarios and apply the numbers that we see as a best fit.
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#150 2015/01/28 12:21:26 |
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