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The Question (or paraphrasing);

What is so bad about 100% evasion that, having made it much harder to achieve than the original game, has now been made impossible ?

.... has never been properly answered.

There was a reply by iSylver who admittedly added it was a sarcastic response (ie. the pot lady would be wandering around penniless). There was a suggestion that it would be unfair that a human could attain 100% against a devil but this is moot because it is not known to have happened and axes auras will always land anyway (and Devils & Humans have different attributes). Of course some people have offered their opinion.

.....But, no one has answered the question.

Since a number of people have geared their characters towards evasion. it is far from a stupid question and is eminently reasonable.

Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"]The Question (or paraphrasing); What is so bad about 100% evasion that, having made it much harder to achieve than the original game, has now been made impossible ? .... has never been properly answered. There was a reply by iSylver who admittedly added it was a sarcastic response (ie. the pot lady would be wandering around penniless). There was a suggestion that it would be unfair that a human could attain 100% against a devil but this is moot because it is not known to have happened and axes auras will always land anyway (and Devils & Humans have different attributes). Of course some people have offered their opinion. .....But, no one has answered the question. Since a number of people have geared their characters towards evasion. it is far from a stupid question and is eminently reasonable. Jac[/quote]
can u sleep at night?
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[quote="NIBULAA"]can u sleep at night?[/quote]
Jac, try engaging in something other than PVE every time you log on and this might give you a better understanding of why 100% eva is maybe not a great idea.
Hold tight to them TPs.
G-Dbless
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[quote="BRAINDATA"]Jac, try engaging in something other than PVE every time you log on and this might give you a better understanding of why 100% eva is maybe not a great idea. Hold tight to them TPs. G-Dbless[/quote]
"CYROX"No character should be unhittable. 99% still falls into the unhittable bracket imo. It should be capped around the 80% mark. Dex chars will not become useless, as the added dex still has benefits.

100% was never meant to be achievable.



What benefits would that be? Min damage every hit (capped at 80% acc) along with having 80% evasion but then being utterly raped in 1 hit when a hit does land. The only thing I have us evasion ... I still can be tined by 2/3 4th bow auras and I can't output it, so it's never 100% eva because auras utterly rape me and let's not forget int.

It's like me complaining I do min dmg to Quimm with int .... you wouldn't, you'd crack on n get more int. The same applies here, if you wanna 1v1 melee then do a shit load of dex, don't complain when you can't hit a pure dex character, but you've almost capped str/int. You can't have everything.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="CYROX"]No character should be unhittable. 99% still falls into the unhittable bracket imo. It should be capped around the 80% mark. Dex chars will not become useless, as the added dex still has benefits. 100% was never meant to be achievable. [/quote] What benefits would that be? Min damage every hit (capped at 80% acc) along with having 80% evasion but then being utterly raped in 1 hit when a hit does land. The only thing I have us evasion ... I still can be tined by 2/3 4th bow auras and I can't output it, so it's never 100% eva because auras utterly rape me and let's not forget int. It's like me complaining I do min dmg to Quimm with int .... you wouldn't, you'd crack on n get more int. The same applies here, if you wanna 1v1 melee then do a shit load of dex, don't complain when you can't hit a pure dex character, but you've almost capped str/int. You can't have everything.[/quote]
100% = Zero effort hunting, ez botting, etcetc, now let this dead horse finally fucking die.
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[quote="LAZARUS"]100% = Zero effort hunting, ez botting, etcetc, now let this dead horse finally fucking die.[/quote]
Its been removed Jack because its dans server and he thinks 100% is an unfair advantage (whether or not youve achieved it or are in the process of gaining it)
This isnt the original game, merely based upon it and worked on by a small team who are no doubt eye rolling every time you ask this question ask this question ask this question ask this question ask this question...
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[quote="THEWATCHER"]Its been removed Jack because its dans server and he thinks 100% is an unfair advantage (whether or not youve achieved it or are in the process of gaining it) This isnt the original game, merely based upon it and worked on by a small team who are no doubt eye rolling every time you ask this question ask this question ask this question ask this question ask this question... [/quote]
"YOSHIMITSU"
It's not being blown massively out pf proportion at all. There's only a handful of characters (Myself, Elric, Hurricane and to an extent Zyar) who this would really effect. Putting rvr/pvp to 90%/80% would literally make us having 10/15 more dex to having -30 str and -40/60 int totally useless. The only advantage is that we don't get hit, but when we do it seriously rapes.
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This post will deal with PvP only, human vs human. Both are of the same quality / lvl.

Which character do you (or the dexiest human for that matter) have over 80/90% on? I assume none since if I understand it correctly most humans will have 95+ dex and most dex humans will have about, 110-120 dex? Isn't that 10-25 dex already equivalent to the +50/60 int mages have? Assuming a dex char could get 100-110 int.

Would it really be so bad, if you could get 80% max evasion with dex only and then could work yourself up to 90% with evasion? What would actually change?

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[quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"] It's not being blown massively out pf proportion at all. There's only a handful of characters (Myself, Elric, Hurricane and to an extent Zyar) who this would really effect. Putting rvr/pvp to 90%/80% would literally make us having 10/15 more dex to having -30 str and -40/60 int totally useless. The only advantage is that we don't get hit, but when we do it seriously rapes. .[/quote] This post will deal with PvP only, human vs human. Both are of the same quality / lvl. Which character do you (or the dexiest human for that matter) have over 80/90% on? I assume none since if I understand it correctly most humans will have 95+ dex and most dex humans will have about, 110-120 dex? Isn't that 10-25 dex already equivalent to the +50/60 int mages have? Assuming a dex char could get 100-110 int. Would it really be so bad, if you could get 80% max evasion with dex only and then could work yourself up to 90% with evasion? What would actually change? [/quote]
The best dex characters in game on hsoma side are probably achieving about 80% evasion at the moment. No one is currently unhittable.

So to say capping it at 80% will ruin dex chars is nonsense. It will just not get any further out of hand than it currently is.

To say getting hit twice in 10 hits will utterly reck a dex char is laughable.
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[quote="CYROX"]The best dex characters in game on hsoma side are probably achieving about 80% evasion at the moment. No one is currently unhittable. So to say capping it at 80% will ruin dex chars is nonsense. It will just not get any further out of hand than it currently is. To say getting hit twice in 10 hits will utterly reck a dex char is laughable. [/quote]
It's not just dex, that extra 20dex helps with access and Eva. With my gear on I probs have over 90% on a lot of high humans(Depending what gear they have)

Like yoshi said, each char has its own benefits, i aint bothered about 99% evasion. Its good enough but 80% is over the top.I get 2hit by top mages with int but i dont mind as I have sacrificed losing 70int and gained that extra 20dex more.

Also when lvl cap is raised,People will be able to gain dex again, which no doubt everyone will be doing..
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[quote="HURRICANE"] It's not just dex, that extra 20dex helps with access and Eva. With my gear on I probs have over 90% on a lot of high humans(Depending what gear they have) Like yoshi said, each char has its own benefits, i aint bothered about 99% evasion. Its good enough but 80% is over the top.I get 2hit by top mages with int but i dont mind as I have sacrificed losing 70int and gained that extra 20dex more. Also when lvl cap is raised,People will be able to gain dex again, which no doubt everyone will be doing.. [/quote]


Would it really be so bad, if you could get 80% max evasion with dex only and then could work yourself up to 90% with evasion? What would actually change?


Tbh this wouldnt be too bad :)
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[quote="HURRICANE"] Would it really be so bad, if you could get 80% max evasion with dex only and then could work yourself up to 90% with evasion? What would actually change? Tbh this wouldnt be too bad :) [/quote]
"CYROX"To say getting hit twice in 10 hits will utterly reck a dex char is laughable.


This. Fez you know full well you don't do min dmg to anyone (maybe a str capped char with shield and pd, but nobody is going to hurt them much).

I doubt any char could kill you in 4 auras, letalone 2/3 4th bows which isn't exactly the strongest aura around.
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[quote="SATAN2"][quote="CYROX"]To say getting hit twice in 10 hits will utterly reck a dex char is laughable. [/quote] This. Fez you know full well you don't do min dmg to anyone (maybe a str capped char with shield and pd, but nobody is going to hurt them much). I doubt any char could kill you in 4 auras, letalone 2/3 4th bows which isn't exactly the strongest aura around.[/quote]

 

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