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"GHOSTLORD""JACKELPUP""GHOSTLORD".......it's another scenario to think about? If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str.
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="GHOSTLORD"][quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="GHOSTLORD"].......it's another scenario to think about?
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As you point out, it would be just one scenario and in the interests of balance you would need to look at all of the varying circumstances, possibilities and scenarios (which I guess no one will ever do).
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Luckily we can seperate the different (pve, pvp, rvr) scenarios and apply the numbers that we see as a best fit.
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If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str.
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#151 2015/01/28 16:04:52 |
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JACKELPUP |
Totally agree with Yoshi 8)
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#152 2015/01/28 16:08:46 |
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"YOSHIMITSU"If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str. At present, the cap is 99% evasion. You're saying that these axers 3 hit you. I'm sure you have 99% evasion on my axer (for example) who's the highest axer on Dsoma, meaning I will hit you once every 100 attempts. (And it will remaing this way even at level 100) 3 hits = 3 hits in 300 attempts. I still think you're blowing this massively out of proportion.
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[quote="S0RCERER"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"]If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str.[/quote]
At present, the cap is 99% evasion.
You're saying that these axers 3 hit you.
I'm sure you have 99% evasion on my axer (for example) who's the highest axer on Dsoma, meaning I will hit you once every 100 attempts. (And it will remaing this way even at level 100)
3 hits = 3 hits in 300 attempts.
I still think you're blowing this massively out of proportion.
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#153 2015/01/28 16:36:18 |
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JACKELPUP |
That's assuming Yoshi's dex/evasion is sufficiently higher than yours ....... (which we don't know)
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#154 2015/01/28 17:35:12 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
"JACKELPUP"That's assuming Yoshi's dex/evasion is sufficiently higher than yours ....... (which we don't know) We do because he just said it and so did yoshi. Seriously, this guy... |
#155 2015/01/28 17:54:56 |
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Hes a devil axer... If you dont know what sort of dex different classes have who are you to comment on something you know nothing about?
Ps doing dex and having no str is just making devil archers stronger againat you, what you gunna cap with? 150 dex at max? Just ruining your char over this dex hype! The game isnt new, and dex has been tryed and failed so many times on hsoma in the past Just delete your chars and quit Be so peaceful
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[quote="EVIL_JR"]Hes a devil axer... If you dont know what sort of dex different classes have who are you to comment on something you know nothing about?
Ps doing dex and having no str is just making devil archers stronger againat you, what you gunna cap with? 150 dex at max? Just ruining your char over this dex hype!
The game isnt new, and dex has been tryed and failed so many times on hsoma in the past
Just delete your chars and quit
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#156 2015/01/28 17:56:54 |
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JACKELPUP |
I have no interest in RvR, I was addressing Ghostlords point.
Path, Yoshi didn't say he had 99% evasion over Sorc, he generalised and said "seriously high". I just got stoned in VoD by a Devil when the portal opened and I could do nothing except wait to die (which, after chopping away at me for a while, did happen) Is it the case that "stoned" never misses ? (I ask because I don't know) Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"]I have no interest in RvR, I was addressing Ghostlords point.
Path, Yoshi didn't say he had 99% evasion over Sorc, he generalised and said "seriously high".
I just got stoned in VoD by a Devil when the portal opened and I could do nothing except wait to die (which, after chopping away at me for a while, did happen)
Is it the case that "stoned" never misses ? (I ask because I don't know)
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#157 2015/01/28 18:25:59 |
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KEKKET |
its an aura like 4th knux it always works when u get it casted on you.
edit And it removes your dodge aura 2 :) Edit edit if you took a few 100+ pots you wouldnt die. |
#158 2015/01/28 18:29:27 |
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"JACKELPUP"I have no interest in RvR, I was addressing Ghostlords point. 1. You are not yoshi, you are jackel with less dex and less evasion. 2. The only auras that are dex based (accuracy/evasion) is 3rd and 5th knuckle. All other auras are guaranteed to land (100% accuracy) Jackel, stop this nonsense. Think about what your trying to argue before you type, its getting silly now.
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[quote="PATHOLOGIST"][quote="JACKELPUP"]I have no interest in RvR, I was addressing Ghostlords point.
Path, Yoshi didn't say he had 99% evasion over Sorc, he generalised and said "seriously high".
I just got stoned in VoD by a Devil when the portal opened and I could do nothing except wait to die (which, after chopping away at me for a while, did happen)
Is it the case that "stoned" never misses ? (I ask because I don't know)
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1. You are not yoshi, you are jackel with less dex and less evasion.
2. The only auras that are dex based (accuracy/evasion) is 3rd and 5th knuckle. All other auras are guaranteed to land (100% accuracy)
Jackel, stop this nonsense.
Think about what your trying to argue before you type, its getting silly now.[/quote]
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#159 2015/01/28 18:52:22 |
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JACKELPUP |
"PATHOLOGIST" That little gem had not escaped my notice (and probably no one elses). "PATHOLOGIST" Thank you, I was asking because I didn’t know. It means that 100% evasion against a Devil using such an aura will fail ? Which, being the case, defeats the argument that 100% evasion in RvR is unfair (since there is no such thing depending on your Devil character build) (Which also takes us into the plethora of scenarios that Ghostlord alluded to). "PATHOLOGIST" “Nonsense” ? That is confusing especially as I am supporting other peoples view points. Are they all talking “nonsense” too ? Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="PATHOLOGIST"]
1. You are not yoshi, you are jackel with less dex and less evasion.[/quote]
That little gem had not escaped my notice (and probably no one elses).
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2. The only auras that are dex based (accuracy/evasion) is 3rd and 5th knuckle. All other auras are guaranteed to land (100% accuracy)[/quote]
Thank you, I was asking because I didn’t know. It means that 100% evasion against a Devil using such an aura will fail ? Which, being the case, defeats the argument that 100% evasion in RvR is unfair (since there is no such thing depending on your Devil character build) (Which also takes us into the plethora of scenarios that Ghostlord alluded to).
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Jackel, stop this nonsense.
Think about what your trying to argue before you type, its getting silly now.[/quote]
“Nonsense” ? That is confusing especially as I am supporting other peoples view points. Are they all talking “nonsense” too ?
Jac
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#160 2015/01/28 19:48:58 |
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PATHOLOGIST |
"JACKELPUP" You need to learn the basic mechanics of the game. You really don't have a clue.
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[quote="PATHOLOGIST"][quote="JACKELPUP"]
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Thank you, I was asking because I didn’t know. It means that 100% evasion against a Devil using such an aura will fail ? Which, being the case, defeats the argument that 100% evasion in RvR is unfair (since there is no such thing depending on your Devil character build) (Which also takes us into the plethora of scenarios that Ghostlord alluded to).
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You need to learn the basic mechanics of the game.
You really don't have a clue.[/quote]
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#161 2015/01/28 19:56:49 |
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YOSHIMITSU |
"S0RCERER""YOSHIMITSU"If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str. I don't think i have 99%, it's probably around 90% i'd imagine. (If someone can give me the forumula for working out evasion it'd be a lot easier -.-) It's not being blown massively out pf proportion at all. There's only a handful of characters (Myself, Elric, Hurricane and to an extent Zyar) who this would really effect. Putting rvr/pvp to 90%/80% would literally make us having 10/15 more dex to having -30 str and -40/60 int totally useless. The only advantage is that we don't get hit, but when we do it seriously rapes. Why change something if it's working? Every class has their individual role. Just because you can't 1v1 someone doesn't mean that something is broken, it's just that my character has been specifically built to avoid being hit. The same especially goes for same race pvp, everyone knew the possibilities of evasion/accuracy when dex was changed so could always have gotten alot higher dex instead of going brute str/int to rape people in 3-4 hits (When they hit).
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[quote="YOSHIMITSU"][quote="S0RCERER"][quote="YOSHIMITSU"]If its changed even more it totally ruins dex builds. I have seriously high evasion on devil axers but they literally 3 hit me when they hit. Carnage 5th and 1/2 hits me as well. If the % is changed you're just making high dex builds totally obsolete and everyone will just get the same ish dex (100/110) and everyone will cap str.[/quote]
At present, the cap is 99% evasion.
You're saying that these axers 3 hit you.
I'm sure you have 99% evasion on my axer (for example) who's the highest axer on Dsoma, meaning I will hit you once every 100 attempts. (And it will remaing this way even at level 100)
3 hits = 3 hits in 300 attempts.
I still think you're blowing this massively out of proportion.
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I don't think i have 99%, it's probably around 90% i'd imagine. (If someone can give me the forumula for working out evasion it'd be a lot easier -.-)
It's not being blown massively out pf proportion at all. There's only a handful of characters (Myself, Elric, Hurricane and to an extent Zyar) who this would really effect. Putting rvr/pvp to 90%/80% would literally make us having 10/15 more dex to having -30 str and -40/60 int totally useless. The only advantage is that we don't get hit, but when we do it seriously rapes.
Why change something if it's working? Every class has their individual role. Just because you can't 1v1 someone doesn't mean that something is broken, it's just that my character has been specifically built to avoid being hit. The same especially goes for same race pvp, everyone knew the possibilities of evasion/accuracy when dex was changed so could always have gotten alot higher dex instead of going brute str/int to rape people in 3-4 hits (When they hit).[/quote]
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#162 2015/01/28 20:30:21 |
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QUIMM |
You seem to continually miss out the shanis warrior, not cool.
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#163 2015/01/28 21:58:13 |
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CYROX |
No character should be unhittable. 99% still falls into the unhittable bracket imo. It should be capped around the 80% mark. Dex chars will not become useless, as the added dex still has benefits.
100% was never meant to be achievable. |
#164 2015/01/28 22:17:19 |
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THEWATCHER |
its gone ... shhhhhh
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#165 2015/01/28 23:20:17 |
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