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Basically his bitchy moaning and wanting everything handed to him on a plate became embarrassing to the guild so they folded it and people left. Now, if this is an excuse because someone from DL did pm telling to kick certain people I don't know.
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#106 2017/01/21 00:34:18 |
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I honesty couldn't tell you all I did was leave and join infinity while everyone else went their desperate ways doesn't mean we can't team up at gvw etc even though I never attend it as I'm too shit to do anything haha
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#107 2017/01/21 00:40:39 |
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"MITCHY"Basically his bitchy moaning and wanting everything handed to him on a plate became embarrassing to the guild so they folded it and people left. Now, if this is an excuse because someone from DL did pm telling to kick certain people I don't know. Wasn't this something about when Matty was in guild and he had problems with DL?
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[quote="LINNYI"][quote="MITCHY"]Basically his bitchy moaning and wanting everything handed to him on a plate became embarrassing to the guild so they folded it and people left. Now, if this is an excuse because someone from DL did pm telling to kick certain people I don't know.[/quote]
Wasn't this something about when Matty was in guild and he had problems with DL?[/quote]
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#108 2017/01/21 00:52:27 |
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"JACKELPUP""BRITKING95 Are you high? The anount of multis and "gifted" chars on esoma was obcene.... Other then that I agree with your points in this post and this post only. I had advocated slower rates since day one. Alot of these issues would be non issues if the server rates where much slower.
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[quote="ACAELUS"][quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="BRITKING95]
Can you explain how it is abused now and it wasn't in Esoma please jac?[/quote]
Esoma;
1) it was much harder to cap and there was no "elitist group".
2) High level drops were significantly harder to acquire and far less abundant
3) Far fewer bosses, less opportunities
4) PKers would lose stats for dying grey (something that the PKers here have failed to mention here)
5) Virtually no shared accounts
6) Virtually no "bought" or "borrowed" or "gifted" characters
7) Almost impossible to level an alt
8) No one paid to have their character levelled to 100
9) No one had access to sufficient numbers of level 100 characters to camp bosses
10) No one had access to high level PKers and other characters. If they chose to PK then they were stuck with the consequence. That is now circumvented by using a bought/borrowed/shared/etc character which circumvents the PK consequences
11) Because the consequence of PKing here is significantly less than esoma (accepting there has just been some changes, although they are defeated by "10" above) "grieffing" or targeting players has little or no consequence.
... I can go on but you get the point.
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Are you high? The anount of multis and "gifted" chars on esoma was obcene....
Other then that I agree with your points in this post and this post only. I had advocated slower rates since day one. Alot of these issues would be non issues if the server rates where much slower.[/quote]
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#109 2017/01/21 02:52:00 |
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"JACKELPUP""NOTMAT"Esoma had more multis, account sharing/selling and item selling by a country mile. Thats because on Esoma "multi" was a dirty word. It can also be likened to "fake nattys". People like other people to think all the hard work was theres. On here people don't really give a shit whether people have had multis or not.
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[quote="ACAELUS"][quote="JACKELPUP"]
[quote="NOTMAT"]Esoma had more multis, account sharing/selling and item selling by a country mile. [/quote]
I am very happy to stand corrected if I am wrong. I do remember the problems and I do remember the consequences of those events. If there were a clandestine number of other such events then I could not know. What I DO know is that the number overt instances on here is far greater than any number of overt instances on Esoma. Quid pro quo, I am still right. Nevertheless, I will accept I am wrong if I am.
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Thats because on Esoma "multi" was a dirty word. It can also be likened to "fake nattys". People like other people to think all the hard work was theres.
On here people don't really give a shit whether people have had multis or not.[/quote]
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#110 2017/01/21 03:04:50 |
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"MITCHY"all this bitching is pathetic. We as pkers are happy to have a punishment we are happy to be disliked for it.. the least we expect is the chance of getting loot and for some reason some of you think we should get all the ha id caps and no rewards. Fucking daft. The bitching is pathetic so why dont you can it. We want llootzzz bla bla Pkers are complaining that they are rewarded with nothing for their kills, well consider the fact that you have disrupted or taken away another players time. Time being a valuable thing.... and taking it away should be enough. Pking on esoma was more grudge related with the occasional pk spree by a bored / hacked player while here it takes a more sadistic line. If item / stat drops loss are reintroduced on death then there should be a limit as to how often it happens and greys should always be penalized more.
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[quote="KOBRA"][quote="MITCHY"]all this bitching is pathetic. We as pkers are happy to have a punishment we are happy to be disliked for it.. the least we expect is the chance of getting loot and for some reason some of you think we should get all the ha id caps and no rewards. Fucking daft.[/quote]
The bitching is pathetic so why dont you can it. We want llootzzz bla bla
Pkers are complaining that they are rewarded with nothing for their kills, well consider the fact that you have disrupted or taken away another players time. Time being a valuable thing.... and taking it away should be enough.
Pking on esoma was more grudge related with the occasional pk spree by a bored / hacked player while here it takes a more sadistic line.
If item / stat drops loss are reintroduced on death then there should be a limit as to how often it happens and greys should always be penalized more. [/quote]
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#111 2017/01/21 05:20:43 |
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There is one thing that's a guarantee, whenever Jhalien, Lupi and jac post on a thread it gives the lols.
Jac, I've played in FT (I guess formerly DL) and I've played in NM. Both for significant periods of time. I can safely say there is nothing involved in upgrades that people know over anyone else. (Apart from When a certain group of Devils made some items with a bug at the start of dsoma upgrading). I've tried to use failers. But gave up when I succeeded something like 24 failer upgrades in a row. The other day I succeeded 15 clean tablet upgrades I a row, while someone in DL made jack shit using 20 or so. This game is 100% luck. I think I have comfortably used ~300 upgrades since I started, and I don't use failers. So it just needs 3 other players like me to hit that magic number. I would check the professors degree, because it sounds like it might be written on toilet paper. Back on topic, PK seems to have been killed off on the whole? Can't remember the last time I saw someone get griefed. On the one hand you say "I have 40 res scrolls bring it" and the other "you killed me 4 times it's griefing" which is it? There are enough capped players playing this game if you/we/anyone wanted to stop DL then they could. Maybe think less about DL and more about how to United the below and give them a fight? Jac Lupi Flick Blackknights No limits Koreans + others
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[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]There is one thing that's a guarantee, whenever Jhalien, Lupi and jac post on a thread it gives the lols.
Jac, I've played in FT (I guess formerly DL) and I've played in NM. Both for significant periods of time. I can safely say there is nothing involved in upgrades that people know over anyone else. (Apart from When a certain group of Devils made some items with a bug at the start of dsoma upgrading).
I've tried to use failers. But gave up when I succeeded something like 24 failer upgrades in a row.
The other day I succeeded 15 clean tablet upgrades I a row, while someone in DL made jack shit using 20 or so.
This game is 100% luck.
I think I have comfortably used ~300 upgrades since I started, and I don't use failers. So it just needs 3 other players like me to hit that magic number.
I would check the professors degree, because it sounds like it might be written on toilet paper.
Back on topic, PK seems to have been killed off on the whole? Can't remember the last time I saw someone get griefed.
On the one hand you say "I have 40 res scrolls bring it" and the other "you killed me
4 times it's griefing" which is it?
There are enough capped players playing this game if you/we/anyone wanted to stop DL then they could.
Maybe think less about DL and more about how to United the below and give them a fight?
Jac
Lupi
Flick
Blackknights
No limits
Koreans
+ others
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#112 2017/01/21 08:06:18 |
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MITCHY |
Kobra I haven't started these threads asking for changes, I have simply said my points which I believe are more valid then some of the others on offer here.
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#113 2017/01/21 08:27:03 |
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"MITCHY"Well maverick this isn't what I have been told by the leader of faint FN. I shall name who tells me this things so that I can atleast have him back me up. I'm not having a go or bitching, I'm just saying that's what I got told and that's why I left.
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[quote="MAVERICK"][quote="MITCHY"]Well maverick this isn't what I have been told by the leader of faint FN. I shall name who tells me this things so that I can atleast have him back me up. [/quote]
I'm not having a go or bitching, I'm just saying that's what I got told and that's why I left. [/quote]
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#114 2017/01/21 08:30:05 |
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"OPENTHEDOOR" As I previously said, he doesn’t understand this game. What he(we) did was to take a spreadsheet and using Flick’s posted figures, looked at the mathematical projections. Of course, (as I said before), if you give an infinite number of monkeys etc…. you will get the result you want. He obviously doesn’t know how feasible it is to amass 1000+ upgrade items (but I do). His view (and mine for that matter) is that “mathematically” it is most improbable. He was satisfied that there was an additional factor. If there were just one or two hugely ungraded items it might be palatable to accept it was just “luck”. With so many (and all the reports of those that have broken) it would have required resources (even failers) far beyond the quantity ever made available even through events. Add to that, such highly upgraded items never “appeared” on Esoma. If there were any they were clandestine. Occam’s razor, there is an additional factor. You don’t need to be a mathematician, “common sense” ought to tell you there is something else involved. "OPENTHEDOOR" Nice mis-quote. I said I was grieffed at the Gargoyle Warrior to prevent me from being able to kill it. After it died, I warped. The number of kills is not relevant, it was the PKer’s intention that was in point. The 40 scrolls was raised by someone else who said it is unfair that a PKer could go deep Devil moral because someone with 40 scrolls could just keep resurrecting. In response to Pikutin’s threat, I acknowledged his intention and suggested I would bring 40 scrolls. Jac
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[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]
I would check the professors degree, because it sounds like it might be written on toilet paper.[/quote]
As I previously said, he doesn’t understand this game. What he(we) did was to take a spreadsheet and using Flick’s posted figures, looked at the mathematical projections.
Of course, (as I said before), if you give an infinite number of monkeys etc…. you will get the result you want. He obviously doesn’t know how feasible it is to amass 1000+ upgrade items (but I do).
His view (and mine for that matter) is that “mathematically” it is most improbable. He was satisfied that there was an additional factor. If there were just one or two hugely ungraded items it might be palatable to accept it was just “luck”. With so many (and all the reports of those that have broken) it would have required resources (even failers) far beyond the quantity ever made available even through events.
Add to that, such highly upgraded items never “appeared” on Esoma. If there were any they were clandestine.
Occam’s razor, there is an additional factor.
You don’t need to be a mathematician, “common sense” ought to tell you there is something else involved.
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On the one hand you say "I have 40 res scrolls bring it" and the other "you killed me
4 times it's griefing" which is it? [/quote]
Nice mis-quote.
I said I was grieffed at the Gargoyle Warrior to prevent me from being able to kill it. After it died, I warped. The number of kills is not relevant, it was the PKer’s intention that was in point.
The 40 scrolls was raised by someone else who said it is unfair that a PKer could go deep Devil moral because someone with 40 scrolls could just keep resurrecting.
In response to Pikutin’s threat, I acknowledged his intention and suggested I would bring 40 scrolls.
Jac
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#115 2017/01/21 09:51:29 |
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"OPENTHEDOOR"There is one thing that's a guarantee, whenever Jhalien, Lupi and jac post on a thread it gives the lols. Always willing to point out utter shite when I see it, quite a decent post though people should pull their finger out and stop bitching.
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[quote="JHAELIEN"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]There is one thing that's a guarantee, whenever Jhalien, Lupi and jac post on a thread it gives the lols.[/quote]
Always willing to point out utter shite when I see it, quite a decent post though people should pull their finger out and stop bitching. [/quote]
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#116 2017/01/21 09:57:49 |
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Its a fucking game enjoy it man.
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#117 2017/01/21 10:07:53 |
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Why are you bringing the opinion of someone who has never played this game into this game?
You have missed the point entirely. Which is mostly the problem with mathematicians ect great at pie and pythagaros but when it comes to common science and rl scenarios they miss the trick. Flicks post was made under the assumption of achieving 8 successes in a row and making an item 0 to +8 without doing anything else. Of course this doesn't happen. People use back ups (upgrading 3 items at once) or wait for another item to fail before upgrading the original. You are missing the point completely....
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[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]Why are you bringing the opinion of someone who has never played this game into this game?
You have missed the point entirely. Which is mostly the problem with mathematicians ect great at pie and pythagaros but when it comes to common science and rl scenarios they miss the trick.
Flicks post was made under the assumption of achieving 8 successes in a row and making an item 0 to +8 without doing anything else. Of course this doesn't happen. People use back ups (upgrading 3 items at once) or wait for another item to fail before upgrading the original.
You are missing the point completely....[/quote]
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#118 2017/01/21 11:18:56 |
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"JACKELPUP" I'm going to assume you had a few too many last night. I know you haven't discussed anything with me. Like I said, its clear you have a ridiculous theory about upgrading, I already gave you an example here and here is another. It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to work out you have certain opinions on upgrades. My gear is crap, if you genuinely think there is a big conspiracy I'd suggest taking a step back from the game for a bit.
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[quote="NOTMAT"][quote="JACKELPUP"]
Well, I have NEVER discussed any such theory with you so I would be delighted if you could explain how you knew I had a theory?
Also, I never suggested people were “cheating” the system. I suggested there was another element.
Are you one of the people that knows this and are trying to discredit me for your own advantage?
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I'm going to assume you had a few too many last night. I know you haven't discussed anything with me. Like I said, its clear you have a ridiculous theory about upgrading, I already gave you an example [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=12138&title=adding+upgrades&Page=1]here[/url] and [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=12361&title=Selling+DTs+and+Failers&Page=1#post87071]here is another[/url].
It doesn't take Stephen Hawking to work out you have certain opinions on upgrades. My gear is crap, if you genuinely think there is a big conspiracy I'd suggest taking a step back from the game for a bit.
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#119 2017/01/21 11:19:36 |
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Pi and Pythagoros are actually heavily used when developing video games, although probably not much in an isometric grid-based game like Soma.
Anyway, I hardly see why Jackelpup needed to talk to a mathematician who knows nothing about the game to discuss something as simple as the Soma upgrade system. You put the item in and it works or it doesn't work. It's not a hard concept to grasp (probability/RNG). You learn all that in secondary/high school...... There's no behind-the-scenes magic going (at least, there's no evidence of a such a thing). "Common sense" would tell you that (no offense, Jackelpup, but after reading your forum posts over the years I'm quite sure you lack that trait).
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[quote="JARAGOONDOO"]Pi and Pythagoros are actually heavily used when developing video games, although probably not much in an isometric grid-based game like Soma.
Anyway, I hardly see why Jackelpup needed to talk to a mathematician who knows nothing about the game to discuss something as simple as the Soma upgrade system. You put the item in and it works or it doesn't work. It's not a hard concept to grasp (probability/RNG). You learn all that in secondary/high school......
There's no behind-the-scenes magic going (at least, there's no evidence of a such a thing). "Common sense" would tell you that (no offense, Jackelpup, but after reading your forum posts over the years I'm quite sure you lack that trait).[/quote]
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#120 2017/01/21 13:55:49 |
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