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[quote="MONSTERMAN"]Every game has numbers behind it. Without the numbers the game could not run. Even for +1 there is % of success. [/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="NOTMAT"] its clear you have a ridiculous theory about upgrading, I already gave you an example [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=12138&title=adding+upgrades&Page=1]here[/url] and [url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=12361&title=Selling+DTs+and+Failers&Page=1#post87071]here is another[/url]. [/quote] It’s not "ridiculous". I have presented plenty of evidence to suggest there is another “factor”. [quote="NOTMAT"] ….if you genuinely think there is a big conspiracy ….[/quote] I have never suggested there is a big conspiracy. Earlier in this thread I suggested that it might be part of the game. (or it might be an exploitation). I have been very clear in stating that “I do not know”. What I DO know is that when I have been upgrading( 100 skill) I have had apparently random successes and random fails. I have little doubt that this is echoed with most players who try it and experience the same thing. What I also know is that, it has taken me shed loads of attempts to get +3 on anything and I have gone through masses of upgrade materials (and failers) trying to get stuff (with backups) over +3. I never managed it. My experience was completely consistent with the mathematical spreadsheet analysis (and the amounts I would need). It follows that you would need, pro-rata, additional amount of upgrades to achieve a +4, +5, +6, +7 and +8. In fact, you would need a significantly massive amount beyond the availability to make it impossible. Unless, of course, you get lucky. I can accept “luck” sometimes but certainly not with the alarming regularity of successes and extremely limited number of upgrades available. [quote="JARAGOONDOO"] There's no behind-the-scenes magic going (at least, there's no evidence of a such a thing).[/quote] I think the evidence that there IS another factor is overwhelming. Explain this; [quote="JACKELPUP"] ….. such highly upgraded items never “appeared” on Esoma. If there were any they were clandestine. [/quote] …. And the reason I asked someone who doesn’t know or understand the game was precisely because he doesn’t know or understand the game. Therefore, he could only consider mathematical probabilities. Jac [/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"]Please stop, it's embarrassing.[/quote]

[quote="JHAELIEN"]There is another factor it's called getting lucky. Need a post from fin to squash this upgrading nonsense. [/quote]

[quote="LUPISCUS"]@jac don't think theres any funny business or indeed secret mathematical algorithms at play. However .. i believe xmas b4 last event had an unusally large amount of tabs drop for ppl that farmed them..and dont forget the 1 guild that has had trace for the majority of the last 12 months + ..and the ''services'' of n0legs playing several characters , farming/camping bosses and the sharing of the spoils from those bosses. So, inevitably some guys do seem to have much better gear than others. Also notice fins chart of upgraded items only included weps really. Its the ''insignificant'' +5 accessory items that make a bigger difference than the armours and weps. Just need more items to upgrade.... and many more upgrade items to use on them tbh Need to have faith that 1 day .. xtra levels and stats will play more of an important part in the game than merely farming gear.. and that acessories will be just that.. something to help, rather than be a necessity. God bless America ...no........Finito and Isylver !! It's this reliance on better and better gear that is the reason for xfers of characters and items by whatever means. Soma is a game to be played and enjoyed, and to play it .. stats and levels are needed. ( imo )[/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"]Finito can't plug any holes if he doesn't know about them and I am not suggesting there is one here for him to plug anyway. Specific information has always been left for us to find out (like new recipes etc.) There has never been an official "manual" on each and every game mechanic. It may well be that there is an element or factor that is entirely purposefully in existence. It's all well and fine everyone telling me "it's nonsense" and I am wrong. I have presented a lot of information supporting the existence of "something else" and no one, any where on this thread has offered any information or evidence to counter it. Jac[/quote]

[quote="NOTMAT"][quote="JACKELPUP"]Finito can't plug any holes if he doesn't know about them and I am not suggesting there is one here for him to plug anyway. Specific information has always been left for us to find out (like new recipes etc.) There has never been an official "manual" on each and every game mechanic. It may well be that there is an element or factor that is entirely purposefully in existence. It's all well and fine everyone telling me "it's nonsense" and I am wrong. I have presented a lot of information supporting the existence of "something else" and no one, any where on this thread has offered any information or evidence to counter it. Jac[/quote] What evidence? [/quote]

[quote="JHAELIEN"][quote="JACKELPUP"]Finito can't plug any holes if he doesn't know about them and I am not suggesting there is one here for him to plug anyway. Specific information has always been left for us to find out (like new recipes etc.) There has never been an official "manual" on each and every game mechanic. It may well be that there is an element or factor that is entirely purposefully in existence. It's all well and fine everyone telling me "it's nonsense" and I am wrong. I have presented a lot of information supporting the existence of "something else" and no one, any where on this thread has offered any information or evidence to counter it. Jac[/quote] Been the same upgrade system for what the past 15 years now? just common sense at this point but if you want to believe there's some top secret method out there then cool lol good luck finding it. You've already admitted to upgrading at 100 skill which already puts you at a disadvantage as most important upgrades are done at 150 skill for a slightly better success rate. Not going to try and tell you otherwise though all the best finding this hidden technique.[/quote]

[quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]That moment when you talk to a "mathematics professor" (could be a 8 year old completing times table homework) for the answers that have eluded everyone in soma for years, then realise it's because everyone else is upgrading on 150 skill chars and you are doing it on a 100 skill char but you keep arguing anyway. I can't wait until the penny drops. No spreadsheet going to help with how big of an idiot you have made yourself look or how much of a douche you will feel. Also for anyone who doesn't get "it" let the odds of roulette try and show you. I don't know where you got this figure of 1200+ from but that seems as jacks shit as your professors degree. http://www.roulettestar.com/probability.php[/quote]

[quote="PIKUTIN"]dont get why it's so complicated for you jac lol , count up the number of +8's ingame (probably around 6 now?) and then add up every upgraded item there is + every fail that has happened and it will be around 0.08% of the total [/quote]

[quote="JACKELPUP"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]it's because everyone else is upgrading on 150 skill chars [/quote] We used Flicks tables. And, an 8 year old probably could do it. The guy is married to a good friend of mine and as I see him socially I took the opportunity to pick his brains. We looked at how many attempts were needed to get to +1, +2, +3 etc (Flick goes part way with this). From that, it is easy to calculate how many upgrade items you need (on average) to attain each addition. It quickly becomes a very large number. What I haven’t said yet is that when something breaks, the weapon/armour/accessory also breaks. In addition to the upgrade items, you also need a supply of those. What I do accept (as I have said already) is that if a person goes to the anvil and plonks in an item and an upgrade, you get successes and failures. I know because I have done it myself countless times. Jac [/quote]

[quote="MONSTERMAN"]If you put 13idiots and 1 genius in one room then the 13idiots will say the 1 genius is a idiot.[/quote]

[quote="JHAELIEN"]Being honest with an upgrade system like this, figures and calcuations simply don't matter. I've struggled to make +3 armor pieces at times then seen videos from guild members going +5 and more in one shot so I'm sure if anyone had the balls 0 to +8 in one go is completely possible.[/quote]

[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="JHAELIEN"]Being honest with an upgrade system like this, figures and calcuations simply don't matter. I've struggled to make +3 armor pieces at times then seen videos from guild members going +5 and more in one shot.[/quote] proof of alchemy ^[/quote]

[quote="JHAELIEN"]Proof you stick your upgrade and item in the box and hope for the best, it either works or it doesn't it's that simple.[/quote]