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"OPENTHEDOOR"At this point so I am lead to believe Soma is on life support. This. Am going to take a break and see what happens with regards to progress from the council.
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[quote="ISELIX"][quote="OPENTHEDOOR"]At this point so I am lead to believe Soma is on life support.
Your only priority should be player retention and getting old people back. (Face facts no new player will play this game that’s never played the original)
Anvil change. Don’t be carebear, and don’t pussy around the issue. Ask yourself are people really going to return for +1 and +2? No they are not. [/quote]
This. Am going to take a break and see what happens with regards to progress from the council.
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#136 2019/10/09 13:58:41 |
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MICKYC |
"CHOJIN_TEST"Player retention is my main goal of this venture. We’re having a voice discussion on Sunday open to all, we are looking at reasons people quit and have quit for, and are looking at ways they can be addressed, hence the +50 changes, healing changes, anvil alterations, devil soma drops, new weapons, etc details please cho :)
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[quote="MICKYC"][quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]Player retention is my main goal of this venture. We’re having a voice discussion on Sunday open to all, we are looking at reasons people quit and have quit for, and are looking at ways they can be addressed, hence the +50 changes, healing changes, anvil alterations, devil soma drops, new weapons, etc[/quote]
details please cho :)[/quote]
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#137 2019/10/09 15:30:44 |
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PAPA |
Just to put my perspective into this chat more constructively
+50 route... If people want to have top end chars put the effort in Healing to 100, if you care about that last few dex gains put the effort in You want +5/8 items either grow some balls like the majority of the people that own them or deal with what you have The main issue is the lack of time the gms have to put into the game it was always going to get to this the pure lack of content release over the years has only deteriorated, same events, same gear, same maps, same mobs, putting 2 mobs and 10 levels in place every so often makes it busy till people are sick of hunting yet another mob for 100+ hours, quests to kill 8k odd of the same mob isn't that fun anymore, going out and killing people only for them to moan that your killing the game and driving people away, leave only 1 option farming the same mobs we have killed for years to gain gear to do what with? Attend gvw? Wotw? These have next to 0 effect to capped people that don't want to spend there life at mags /papa
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[quote="PAPA"]Just to put my perspective into this chat more constructively
+50 route... If people want to have top end chars put the effort in
Healing to 100, if you care about that last few dex gains put the effort in
You want +5/8 items either grow some balls like the majority of the people that own them or deal with what you have
The main issue is the lack of time the gms have to put into the game it was always going to get to this the pure lack of content release over the years has only deteriorated, same events, same gear, same maps, same mobs, putting 2 mobs and 10 levels in place every so often makes it busy till people are sick of hunting yet another mob for 100+ hours, quests to kill 8k odd of the same mob isn't that fun anymore, going out and killing people only for them to moan that your killing the game and driving people away, leave only 1 option farming the same mobs we have killed for years to gain gear to do what with? Attend gvw? Wotw? These have next to 0 effect to capped people that don't want to spend there life at mags
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#138 2019/10/09 17:36:47 |
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"PAPA"Just to put my perspective into this chat more constructively Lower the entry requirement to feel like you're making a character on an equal footing by taking away hours of pointless grind, diversify the mobs you're grinding through and give many more to get to the point where they have gear that allows them to be viable in PvP and you will have a lot more PvP and a lot less moaning about being PK'd. The reason people moan about being PK'd now is because it isn't PvP it is a band of characters that you have absolutely no chance of ever defending yourself against jumping you and murdering you. Even the playing field and more people will play.
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[quote="MKULTRA"][quote="PAPA"]Just to put my perspective into this chat more constructively
+50 route... If people want to have top end chars put the effort in
Healing to 100, if you care about that last few dex gains put the effort in
You want +5/8 items either grow some balls like the majority of the people that own them or deal with what you have
The main issue is the lack of time the gms have to put into the game it was always going to get to this the pure lack of content release over the years has only deteriorated, same events, same gear, same maps, same mobs, putting 2 mobs and 10 levels in place every so often makes it busy till people are sick of hunting yet another mob for 100+ hours, quests to kill 8k odd of the same mob isn't that fun anymore, going out and killing people only for them to moan that your killing the game and driving people away, leave only 1 option farming the same mobs we have killed for years to gain gear to do what with? Attend gvw? Wotw? These have next to 0 effect to capped people that don't want to spend there life at mags
/papa[/quote]
Lower the entry requirement to feel like you're making a character on an equal footing by taking away hours of pointless grind, diversify the mobs you're grinding through and give many more to get to the point where they have gear that allows them to be viable in PvP and you will have a lot more PvP and a lot less moaning about being PK'd.
The reason people moan about being PK'd now is because it isn't PvP it is a band of characters that you have absolutely no chance of ever defending yourself against jumping you and murdering you.
Even the playing field and more people will play.[/quote]
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#139 2019/10/09 17:50:26 |
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CHOJIN_TEST |
We have stated we are working on new weapons/ aura animations etc Papa.
Micky, the + 50 route changes will make any monster above your str or int gone stats at the +50 rate until 84 str / int at which point you are looking at shanis / nightmares anyway 😀. The healing changes are going to make healing for int faster as to stop people spending weeks afk in TYT. The anvil changes the GM’s are happy with at the moment (they have said they can change even further if it is shown not to affect the game too much balance wise) is to make the anvil not break an item on fail up to +3, so at +1 you can attempt to upgrade and if it fails you keep your +1 item and only lose the failed upgrade item. Drops of shanis/ blg/ nightmares are being changed to be more relevant. The GM’s said they are aware of the lack of Dsoma drops and we have discussed the issue, we are going to get a better picture from devil players and find out what they need and want. There are a lot of other things Finito stated he wants to implement such as gvw/ wotw changes. Dan has discussed implementing a system where you get weapons and armour that has random roll stats on pickup, so you could get a 3% proc bow or a + 4 str bow. He also discussed varied stat upgrades I.e. tablets that can add 1-3 of a stat. —Chojine
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[quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]We have stated we are working on new weapons/ aura animations etc Papa.
Micky, the + 50 route changes will make any monster above your str or int gone stats at the +50 rate until 84 str / int at which point you are looking at shanis / nightmares anyway 😀.
The healing changes are going to make healing for int faster as to stop people spending weeks afk in TYT.
The anvil changes the GM’s are happy with at the moment (they have said they can change even further if it is shown not to affect the game too much balance wise) is to make the anvil not break an item on fail up to +3, so at +1 you can attempt to upgrade and if it fails you keep your +1 item and only lose the failed upgrade item.
Drops of shanis/ blg/ nightmares are being changed to be more relevant.
The GM’s said they are aware of the lack of Dsoma drops and we have discussed the issue, we are going to get a better picture from devil players and find out what they need and want.
There are a lot of other things Finito stated he wants to implement such as gvw/ wotw changes.
Dan has discussed implementing a system where you get weapons and armour that has random roll stats on pickup, so you could get a 3% proc bow or a + 4 str bow.
He also discussed varied stat upgrades I.e. tablets that can add 1-3 of a stat.
—Chojine [/quote]
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#140 2019/10/09 17:52:13 |
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"CHOJIN_TEST"We have stated we are working on new weapons/ aura animations etc Papa. I really think that you need to bring up the implications of the +3 stat thing with the GMs as I do not think that they are thinking clearly in terms of balance. It is surely more balanced and also solves regression completely to have items that are capped in terms of their potential by +1 but no stat on fail rather than flooding the game with loads of +3 items that then just become back-ups for rips just the same as happens now. You aren't changing the system you are just shifting it along the axis by +3.
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[quote="MKULTRA"][quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]We have stated we are working on new weapons/ aura animations etc Papa.
Micky, the + 50 route changes will make any monster above your str or int gone stats at the +50 rate until 84 str / int at which point you are looking at shanis / nightmares anyway 😀.
The healing changes are going to make healing for int faster as to stop people spending weeks afk in TYT.
The anvil changes the GM’s are happy with at the moment (they have said they can change even further if it is shown not to affect the game too much balance wise) is to make the anvil not break an item on fail up to +3, so at +1 you can attempt to upgrade and if it fails you keep your +1 item and only lose the failed upgrade item.
Drops of shanis/ blg/ nightmares are being changed to be more relevant.
The GM’s said they are aware of the lack of Dsoma drops and we have discussed the issue, we are going to get a better picture from devil players and find out what they need and want.
There are a lot of other things Finito stated he wants to implement such as gvw/ wotw changes.
Dan has discussed implementing a system where you get weapons and armour that has random roll stats on pickup, so you could get a 3% proc bow or a + 4 str bow.
He also discussed varied stat upgrades I.e. tablets that can add 1-3 of a stat.
—Chojine [/quote]
I [b]really[/b] think that you need to bring up the implications of the +3 stat thing with the GMs as I do not think that they are thinking clearly in terms of balance.
It is surely more balanced and also solves regression completely to have items that are capped in terms of their potential by +1 but no stat on fail rather than flooding the game with loads of +3 items that then just become back-ups for rips just the same as happens now.
You aren't changing the system you are just shifting it along the axis by +3.[/quote]
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#141 2019/10/09 18:00:26 |
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CHOJIN_TEST |
Their concerns surround the potential to smash 8 double tablets etc on to gear. They have stated they are willing to further change the anvil in the future if this change doesn’t create imbalance.
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#142 2019/10/09 18:07:04 |
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XAVIER |
so the changes to anvil. ur saying i can make all/any armour +3 and it wont break the item? just destroy the tab on fail?
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#143 2019/10/09 18:32:28 |
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"CHOJIN_TEST"Their concerns surround the potential to smash 8 double tablets etc on to gear. They have stated they are willing to further change the anvil in the future if this change doesn’t create imbalance. I'm meaning this in the spirit of open dialogue as I think this thread was intended, not as any kind of disrespect, but that just doesn't fly for me. Why not just lower the success % of SS and Double tabs if that is truly the concern? We know tabs can be given separate success rates as seen by the 150 skill success for 0 skill crafters on RDT/DT etc.
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[quote="MKULTRA"][quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]Their concerns surround the potential to smash 8 double tablets etc on to gear. They have stated they are willing to further change the anvil in the future if this change doesn’t create imbalance.[/quote]
I'm meaning this in the spirit of open dialogue as I think this thread was intended, not as any kind of disrespect, but that just doesn't fly for me.
Why not just lower the success % of SS and Double tabs if that is truly the concern?
We know tabs can be given separate success rates as seen by the 150 skill success for 0 skill crafters on RDT/DT etc.
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#144 2019/10/09 18:33:35 |
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CHOJIN_TEST |
Yes but changes are not yet in effect.
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#145 2019/10/09 18:34:16 |
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CHOJIN_TEST |
I pushed for the +1 on fail no stat increase method, but the GM’s decided on this change for now.
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#146 2019/10/09 18:36:16 |
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CHOJIN_TEST |
I will however pass on all ideas and concerns people have about the changes as they are all valid points.
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#147 2019/10/09 18:39:18 |
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"CHOJIN_TEST"I pushed for the +1 on fail no stat increase method, but the GM’s decided on this change for now. That is fair enough - any change in the right direction is warmly welcomed don't get me wrong but I really think that you are just shifting a problem along a scale and are actually more likely to imbalance the game than with with the fake +1. You can set SS to only apply to +5 items and set the success rate of double tabs to be lower than regular tabs. This would alleviate their concerns and truly fix the problem as opposed to shunting it along by +3.
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[quote="MKULTRA"][quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]I pushed for the +1 on fail no stat increase method, but the GM’s decided on this change for now.
All we can do is let them make changes at the rate they are happy with.[/quote]
That is fair enough - any change in the right direction is warmly welcomed don't get me wrong but I really think that you are just shifting a problem along a scale and are actually more likely to imbalance the game than with with the fake +1.
You can set SS to only apply to +5 items and set the success rate of double tabs to be lower than regular tabs.
This would alleviate their concerns and truly fix the problem as opposed to shunting it along by +3.[/quote]
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#148 2019/10/09 18:40:22 |
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I personally agree with you, not everyone in the group agrees it is the best method but it is agreed unanimously that a positive change as a first step is a good move in the right direction, and ultimately I respect the GM’s decision, I’m sure they will revisit the anvil should they feel comfortable making it better.
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[quote="CHOJIN_TEST"]I personally agree with you, not everyone in the group agrees it is the best method but it is agreed unanimously that a positive change as a first step is a good move in the right direction, and ultimately I respect the GM’s decision, I’m sure they will revisit the anvil should they feel comfortable making it better.[/quote]
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#149 2019/10/09 18:44:04 |
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great to see changes and new ideas being discussed, but, for me anyway, the failure to address the real problem with the anvil is tragic to hear. Guess my return was very short-lived.
Have fun - I don't want to play while this is not properly addressed, |
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