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A funny little vanity metric that people are boosting. What do we do about it?

A few thoughts:
- We make it so your ratio wont count if theres a 5 minute difference in deaths
- We scrap it all together
- We make it so you can only see your own ratio

Discuss - I'm open for ideas

*Currently I've removed it until we have a better solution. I'd rather the solution not to be increased moderation of something so unimportant/
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[quote="ISYLVER"]A funny little vanity metric that people are boosting. What do we do about it? [b]A few thoughts:[/b] - We make it so your ratio wont count if theres a 5 minute difference in deaths - We scrap it all together - We make it so you can only see your own ratio [b]Discuss - I'm open for ideas[/b] *Currently I've removed it until we have a better solution. I'd rather the solution not to be increased moderation of something so unimportant/[/quote]
Nothing would be worse than not being able to prove to people who are bad, that they are are bad

keep k/d just have to tweak how its scored
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[quote="LUTHER"]Nothing would be worse than not being able to prove to people who are bad, that they are are bad keep k/d just have to tweak how its scored [/quote]
All the kd does is create hostility within the game and it’s Soma that loses in the end.

For the player killer it’s an ego “ just take the 2 deaths comment is all they give you “

For the player killed it’s pride “ being told just take your 2 deaths, pk means nothing “

Plenty of players have left due to this pointless stat that the majority of mature players realise it means nothing. Surely if your a good pvp you can remember who you killed or not without it being on a feed.

Egos and Pride, if kd means so much to some make a lvl 1 turn it devil and farm it 24/7


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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]All the kd does is create hostility within the game and it’s Soma that loses in the end. For the player killer it’s an ego “ just take the 2 deaths comment is all they give you “ For the player killed it’s pride “ being told just take your 2 deaths, pk means nothing “ Plenty of players have left due to this pointless stat that the majority of mature players realise it means nothing. Surely if your a good pvp you can remember who you killed or not without it being on a feed. Egos and Pride, if kd means so much to some make a lvl 1 turn it devil and farm it 24/7 [/quote]
Could either remove the count but leave the kills feed
Or
Give it points to each kill that drop off per level and repeatedness

Eg same level kill 1 =20 points
Same level kill 2 =10 points
(Obviously same person)

Player one 20 levels higher kill 1 =1 point
Kill 2=0 point

Makes the easy kills very little incentive

Maybe add in each time a player hits in pk mode the point goes back to 20 to accomodate mass pk fights

Or it resets every 5 minutes (the people not pk'ing will have their hour peace if someone is truly intent on killing them anyway)
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[quote="H4WKEYE"]Could either remove the count but leave the kills feed Or Give it points to each kill that drop off per level and repeatedness Eg same level kill 1 =20 points Same level kill 2 =10 points (Obviously same person) Player one 20 levels higher kill 1 =1 point Kill 2=0 point Makes the easy kills very little incentive Maybe add in each time a player hits in pk mode the point goes back to 20 to accomodate mass pk fights Or it resets every 5 minutes (the people not pk'ing will have their hour peace if someone is truly intent on killing them anyway)[/quote]
Remove it

Then in the future add in a new kd or rank system that based on a score for honorable kills
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[quote="KAZOKU"]Remove it Then in the future add in a new kd or rank system that based on a score for honorable kills[/quote]
It should be re-set from a specific date and a new algorithim or script put in place on how it is counted/calculated.
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[quote="TIBI"]It should be re-set from a specific date and a new algorithim or script put in place on how it is counted/calculated. [/quote]
This thread was created 71 days ago to highlight issues regarding KD abuse and the Discord admin. There was clear as day evidence of people breaking rules here and huge bias from the Discord admin deleting posts that showed him rule breaking in game. There was a screenshot of you saying if you abuse K/D or immunity you will be punished.

117 posts on that thread. No punishment. No response from the GM on enforcing his own rules. No response in regards to the behaviour of the Discord admin even though there are complaints raised constantly about his behaviour.

The other side of the alliance have now been reported for screwing around with KD ratio and it's all of a sudden a big deal with people being banned? This whole thing has no consistency and from a neutral stand point, looks incredibly biased.
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[quote="YOSHIMIKA"][url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=38501&title=PK+Immunity%2FKD+boosting+%26+Discord+issues&Page=1]This thread[/url] was created 71 days ago to highlight issues regarding KD abuse and the Discord admin. There was clear as day evidence of people breaking rules here and huge bias from the Discord admin deleting posts that showed him rule breaking in game. There was a screenshot of you saying if you abuse K/D or immunity you will be punished. 117 posts on that thread. No punishment. No response from the GM on enforcing his own rules. No response in regards to the behaviour of the Discord admin even though there are complaints raised constantly about his behaviour. The other side of the alliance have now been reported for screwing around with KD ratio and it's all of a sudden a big deal with people being banned? This whole thing has no consistency and from a neutral stand point, looks incredibly biased. [/quote]
"YOSHIMIKA"This thread was created 71 days ago to highlight issues regarding KD abuse and the Discord admin. There was clear as day evidence of people breaking rules here and huge bias from the Discord admin deleting posts that showed him rule breaking in game. There was a screenshot of you saying if you abuse K/D or immunity you will be punished.

117 posts on that thread. No punishment. No response from the GM on enforcing his own rules. No response in regards to the behaviour of the Discord admin even though there are complaints raised constantly about his behaviour.

The other side of the alliance have now been reported for screwing around with KD ratio and it's all of a sudden a big deal with people being banned? This whole thing has no consistency and from a neutral stand point, looks incredibly biased.


This is 100% correct lol and extremely strange how it is suddenly an issue.

However, remove KD ratio completely. Makes no sense and encourages an extremely negative playstyle.

Cheers,

Corleone
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[quote="GRIMPIRATE"][quote="YOSHIMIKA"][url=https://myth-of-soma.com/Forum/Thread.asp?ID=38501&title=PK+Immunity%2FKD+boosting+%26+Discord+issues&Page=1]This thread[/url] was created 71 days ago to highlight issues regarding KD abuse and the Discord admin. There was clear as day evidence of people breaking rules here and huge bias from the Discord admin deleting posts that showed him rule breaking in game. There was a screenshot of you saying if you abuse K/D or immunity you will be punished. 117 posts on that thread. No punishment. No response from the GM on enforcing his own rules. No response in regards to the behaviour of the Discord admin even though there are complaints raised constantly about his behaviour. The other side of the alliance have now been reported for screwing around with KD ratio and it's all of a sudden a big deal with people being banned? This whole thing has no consistency and from a neutral stand point, looks incredibly biased. [/quote] This is 100% correct lol and extremely strange how it is suddenly an issue. However, remove KD ratio completely. Makes no sense and encourages an extremely negative playstyle. Cheers, Corleone [/quote]
You can make this about bias or you can actually offer up ideas. The thread above got lost in a sea of toxicity

I am not naming names here or taking sides and surely this is trying to resolve the situation.

My ask of everyone here is to act objectively - take your guild allegiances out of it and offer up change ideas.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]You can make this about bias or you can actually offer up ideas. The thread above got lost in a sea of toxicity I am not naming names here or taking sides and surely this is trying to resolve the situation. My ask of everyone here is to act objectively - take your guild allegiances out of it and offer up change ideas. [/quote]
Remove it

what purpose does it serve? other than making people hunt people every hour for 2 free kills?

you can still see who defeated who on the armoury / feed, why do you need a counter?

or you could remove feed for anything other than bossess / RvR?

I've said from the start K/D is bad for the game it encourages players grouping lower levels hunting and not fighting for the risk of dieing.

remove it completely an when new content is added and more players return i bet they'd be much more open to fighting

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[quote="MAGEY"]Remove it what purpose does it serve? other than making people hunt people every hour for 2 free kills? you can still see who defeated who on the armoury / feed, why do you need a counter? or you could remove feed for anything other than bossess / RvR? I've said from the start K/D is bad for the game it encourages players grouping lower levels hunting and not fighting for the risk of dieing. remove it completely an when new content is added and more players return i bet they'd be much more open to fighting [/quote]
Remove it
From what i've witnessed since playing it;s caused nothing ingame but toxicity, a good pker (if that can even exist on this game) will be remembered regardless of a stat that's easily manipulated
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[quote="SYRIOFOREL"]Remove it From what i've witnessed since playing it;s caused nothing ingame but toxicity, a good pker (if that can even exist on this game) will be remembered regardless of a stat that's easily manipulated[/quote]
"ISYLVER"You can make this about bias or you can actually offer up ideas. The thread above got lost in a sea of toxicity

I am not naming names here or taking sides and surely this is trying to resolve the situation.

My ask of everyone here is to act objectively - take your guild allegiances out of it and offer up change ideas.


That thread showed a clear breach of rules and the Discord admin proving his personal interests are greater than him being objective and having the servers best interests at heart. Have you actually read the thread and do you know who started the "Sea of toxicity"?

Let me quote your Discord admin:
"HOOLY SHIT YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH ME YOSHI ROFL. GET OF MY DICK PLS"
"ANTI-SEMITIC LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF, GROW THE FUCK UP"

Other than 2 toxic posts, the thread is full of constructive conversation with people voicing their opinions.

I am objective and do not take sides. I am speaking as an outsider with no allegiances. What's the point in players making suggestions when you ignore a huge forum thread that has evidence proving people are breaking the rules, the Discord admin being biased and him actively being the first person to start being toxic in that thread? You can't bury your head in the sand and be surprised when things get worse. This proves there is no consistency in regards to moderation and it feeds the flames of the toxicity

Remove KD. It serves 0 purpose anymore because people have gone unpunished abusing the system.
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[quote="YOSHIMIKA"][quote="ISYLVER"]You can make this about bias or you can actually offer up ideas. The thread above got lost in a sea of toxicity I am not naming names here or taking sides and surely this is trying to resolve the situation. My ask of everyone here is to act objectively - take your guild allegiances out of it and offer up change ideas. [/quote] That thread showed a clear breach of rules and the Discord admin proving his personal interests are greater than him being objective and having the servers best interests at heart. Have you actually read the thread and do you know who started the "Sea of toxicity"? Let me quote your Discord admin: "HOOLY SHIT YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH ME YOSHI ROFL. GET OF MY DICK PLS" "ANTI-SEMITIC LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. DO YOU HEAR YOURSELF, GROW THE FUCK UP" Other than 2 toxic posts, the thread is full of constructive conversation with people voicing their opinions. I am objective and do not take sides. I am speaking as an outsider with no allegiances. What's the point in players making suggestions when you ignore a huge forum thread that has evidence proving people are breaking the rules, the Discord admin being biased and him actively being the first person to start being toxic in that thread? You can't bury your head in the sand and be surprised when things get worse. This proves there is no consistency in regards to moderation and it feeds the flames of the toxicity Remove KD. It serves 0 purpose anymore because people have gone unpunished abusing the system.[/quote]
Going off on a tangent and the above has been addressed - just not publicly because it did not need to be.

As for "burying my head". Certainly not the case - I just only have limited time for soma thus the ask for unbiased moderators/advisors.
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[quote="ISYLVER"]Going off on a tangent and the above has been addressed - just not publicly because it did not need to be. As for "burying my head". Certainly not the case - I just only have limited time for soma thus the ask for unbiased moderators/advisors. [/quote]
Remove it completely - 2 Reasons:
1) It discourages pvp because people become obsessed with not dying
2) Encourages people to go around making easy kills twice every 30 minutes...
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[quote="REBEKAH"]Remove it completely - 2 Reasons: 1) It discourages pvp because people become obsessed with not dying 2) Encourages people to go around making easy kills twice every 30 minutes...[/quote]
Keep it but change how its scored - But I would also like to see PK gap reduced to 5 and no hitting of wicked/devil Chars 10 levels below.
I feel both changes have to be in place to work to be able to keep KD
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[quote="ZEZAL"]Keep it but change how its scored - But I would also like to see PK gap reduced to 5 and no hitting of wicked/devil Chars 10 levels below. I feel both changes have to be in place to work to be able to keep KD[/quote]

 

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