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The spell alone being OP doesnt call for the need to give it everyone, its a dif story, pants should be removed with zombie, as for the spell itself its super strong yes, maybe that deserves another thread for discussion
I cant say mages are OP tho, i think the dsoma mage usercount shows this... me lazarus and s0rc thats it that have reached a stage where i would say they still play. This spell is definatly OP in groups of players, but it is far from OP when u are alone and the other player can click 1 serum, maybe making the spell only disable hp pots from healing and not doing damage is the choice The only mage that can compete is punching and so it should, im closing in on double the time a lvl 100 melee has and still so far from cap, so its deserved
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[quote="MONSTER"]The spell alone being OP doesnt call for the need to give it everyone, its a dif story, pants should be removed with zombie, as for the spell itself its super strong yes, maybe that deserves another thread for discussion
I cant say mages are OP tho, i think the dsoma mage usercount shows this... me lazarus and s0rc thats it that have reached a stage where i would say they still play.
This spell is definatly OP in groups of players, but it is far from OP when u are alone and the other player can click 1 serum, maybe making the spell only disable hp pots from healing and not doing damage is the choice
The only mage that can compete is punching and so it should, im closing in on double the time a lvl 100 melee has and still so far from cap, so its deserved[/quote]
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#16 2014/09/02 16:23:36 |
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Mages needed something and a way to be useful when they're not being locked out by god knows how many archers and knucklers. If the pants stay lower the % or something considering how long the actual spell takes to get.
As for it being overpowered yeah it's strong but considering how many good mages there are I think it's alright atm also promotes stone changes at gvw those days of sitting on the stone for like 20mins are probably gone.
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[quote="CARNAGE"]Mages needed something and a way to be useful when they're not being locked out by god knows how many archers and knucklers. If the pants stay lower the % or something considering how long the actual spell takes to get.
As for it being overpowered yeah it's strong but considering how many good mages there are I think it's alright atm also promotes stone changes at gvw those days of sitting on the stone for like 20mins are probably gone. [/quote]
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#17 2014/09/02 16:31:09 |
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"MONSTER"The spell alone being OP doesnt call for the need to give it everyone, its a dif story, pants should be removed with zombie, as for the spell itself its super strong yes, maybe that deserves another thread for discussion I agree with that, it should stop HP pots from healing, that would be more appropriate... I don't want to go into this on this thread, but technically the way things have been made, at lvl 100 the only way an archer can realistically compete verses other level 100s is if they have punched...a lot....look at ryu with 190 str at cap, she will be doing on average 50-60 dmg to other classes when they reach cap. Sorry to go off topic that wasn't my intention, just trying to highlight how I think the spell isn't appropriate for Dsoma.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="MONSTER"]The spell alone being OP doesnt call for the need to give it everyone, its a dif story, pants should be removed with zombie, as for the spell itself its super strong yes, maybe that deserves another thread for discussion
I cant say mages are OP tho, i think the dsoma mage usercount shows this... me lazarus and s0rc thats it that have reached a stage where i would say they still play.
This spell is definatly OP in groups of players, but it is far from OP when u are alone and the other player can click 1 serum, maybe making the spell only disable hp pots from healing and not doing damage is the choice
The only mage that can compete is punching and so it should, im closing in on double the time a lvl 100 melee has and still so far from cap, so its deserved[/quote]
I agree with that, it should stop HP pots from healing, that would be more appropriate...
I don't want to go into this on this thread, but technically the way things have been made, at lvl 100 the only way an archer can realistically compete verses other level 100s is if they have punched...a lot....look at ryu with 190 str at cap, she will be doing on average 50-60 dmg to other classes when they reach cap.
Sorry to go off topic that wasn't my intention, just trying to highlight how I think the spell isn't appropriate for Dsoma.[/quote]
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#18 2014/09/02 16:47:17 |
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"CARNAGE"Mages needed something and a way to be useful when they're not being locked out by god knows how many archers and knucklers. If the pants stay lower the % or something considering how long the actual spell takes to get. Yeah sure promotes stone changes, but when the only two mages who have used the spell in PVP are on your team of course you will a proponent of it's use in game...you haven't had it casted on you during gvw/wotw/ss so you can't claim to know how it affects game play.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"]Mages needed something and a way to be useful when they're not being locked out by god knows how many archers and knucklers. If the pants stay lower the % or something considering how long the actual spell takes to get.
As for it being overpowered yeah it's strong but considering how many good mages there are I think it's alright atm also promotes stone changes at gvw those days of sitting on the stone for like 20mins are probably gone. [/quote]
Yeah sure promotes stone changes, but when the only two mages who have used the spell in PVP are on your team of course you will a proponent of it's use in game...you haven't had it casted on you during gvw/wotw/ss so you can't claim to know how it affects game play.[/quote]
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#19 2014/09/02 16:59:52 |
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im not looking forward to when hsoma gets this spell..
as 80% of pvp is int based devils may aswell not show up to wotw |
#20 2014/09/02 17:02:05 |
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They maybe on our team but they worked hard for that spell it's not really down to me if others aren't good enough or don't have the mats to get it. The spell isn't exclusive every mage has the same ability to get it. Just my opinion though obviously.
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#21 2014/09/02 17:04:10 |
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To put it blunt, wether the spell it currently op or not right now has nothing todo with the pants, the bottom line is this spell requires 120 int and a heck of alot of time it should never be on a % based item
If u want to use this spell in dsoma, some1 train a mage and not a archer/knux, other classes are becoming useful, but archer will always be useful to have because of the range no matter what
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[quote="MONSTER"]To put it blunt, wether the spell it currently op or not right now has nothing todo with the pants, the bottom line is this spell requires 120 int and a heck of alot of time it should never be on a % based item
If u want to use this spell in dsoma, some1 train a mage and not a archer/knux, other classes are becoming useful, but archer will always be useful to have because of the range no matter what[/quote]
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#22 2014/09/02 17:08:02 |
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Spell from an hsoma perspective should be manageable and make gvw better I think.
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#23 2014/09/02 17:11:45 |
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"CARNAGE"They maybe on our team but they worked hard for that spell it's not really down to me if others aren't good enough or don't have the mats to get it. The spell isn't exclusive every mage has the same ability to get it. Just my opinion though obviously. Irrelevant, it's like saying just because I worked hard to get over 200 str I should be awarded a 200 str bow. Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"]They maybe on our team but they worked hard for that spell it's not really down to me if others aren't good enough or don't have the mats to get it. The spell isn't exclusive every mage has the same ability to get it. Just my opinion though obviously. [/quote]
Irrelevant, it's like saying just because I worked hard to get over 200 str I should be awarded a 200 str bow.
Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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#24 2014/09/02 17:33:01 |
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"TOLIC"im not looking forward to when hsoma gets this spell.. Thats why i think the zombie pants should be removed as if there are loads of these pants ingame wotw wont be fun at all.
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[quote="KEKKET"][quote="TOLIC"]im not looking forward to when hsoma gets this spell..
as 80% of pvp is int based devils may aswell not show up to wotw[/quote]
Thats why i think the zombie pants should be removed as if there are loads of these pants ingame wotw wont be fun at all.[/quote]
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#25 2014/09/02 18:00:17 |
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"SLAYER"Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me. Whos fault is that though? that the calibre of mage is different lol I don't understand that comment. That's like blaming someone for being stronger than someone else. I probably would feel different if I had people casting it on me as often as you have it casted on you but I don't lol. There aren't many decent mages on dsoma most seem to be blind chars.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"]Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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Whos fault is that though? that the calibre of mage is different lol I don't understand that comment. That's like blaming someone for being stronger than someone else.
I probably would feel different if I had people casting it on me as often as you have it casted on you but I don't lol. There aren't many decent mages on dsoma most seem to be blind chars.[/quote]
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#26 2014/09/02 18:04:04 |
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"CARNAGE""SLAYER"Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me. The point has to be taken into consideration with the other things I said, don't pick that one bit out. What I'm saying is that you will back an OP spell because it favours you to do so. If the spell stays as it is I suspect GVW will slowly die off, same with WOTW, as it will just be luck as to whether you cure zombie fast enough to survive, and that's what it is luck.... If you are mashing +100 pots and have it cast on you, within that split second it's too late as your HP is now too low and a single shot will finish you off. So it's luck as to whether you are being hit at the same time or not. Stones went to 1HP earlier but luckily for him we didn't land a shot when he was on 1 hp, but that scenario wouldn't happen at GVW/WOTW/SS, he would of been dead.
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"]Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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Whos fault is that though? that the calibre of mage is different lol I don't understand that comment. That's like blaming someone for being stronger than someone else.[/quote]
The point has to be taken into consideration with the other things I said, don't pick that one bit out.
What I'm saying is that you will back an OP spell because it favours you to do so.
If the spell stays as it is I suspect GVW will slowly die off, same with WOTW, as it will just be luck as to whether you cure zombie fast enough to survive, and that's what it is luck....
If you are mashing +100 pots and have it cast on you, within that split second it's too late as your HP is now too low and a single shot will finish you off. So it's luck as to whether you are being hit at the same time or not.
Stones went to 1HP earlier but luckily for him we didn't land a shot when he was on 1 hp, but that scenario wouldn't happen at GVW/WOTW/SS, he would of been dead.[/quote]
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"SLAYER""CARNAGE""SLAYER"Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me. I read what you wrote and I'm going to be perfectly honest here all I'm seeing is "zombie is op because our guild has less mages that have it" now that might not be the case but that's the vibe I'm getting. Like I said the spell is there for any serious mage that takes the time to get it. Yeah you worked hard for 200 str so you get a bow? does everyone else get a 200 str something when they get 200 str ;o I don't get the comparison there.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"]Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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Whos fault is that though? that the calibre of mage is different lol I don't understand that comment. That's like blaming someone for being stronger than someone else.[/quote]
The point has to be taken into consideration with the other things I said, don't pick that one bit out.
What I'm saying is that you will back an OP spell because it favours you to do so.[/quote]
I read what you wrote and I'm going to be perfectly honest here all I'm seeing is "zombie is op because our guild has less mages that have it" now that might not be the case but that's the vibe I'm getting. Like I said the spell is there for any serious mage that takes the time to get it.
Yeah you worked hard for 200 str so you get a bow? does everyone else get a 200 str something when they get 200 str ;o I don't get the comparison there.
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#28 2014/09/02 18:12:42 |
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my dear slayer : u cry a lot ... @ the 1st not our fault u made archer char its was in the begining archers are best char on this server ... no1 cryed no1 told u anythin or cryed to the gm about ur high dex u the only1 crying on this changes server even about upgrades ... not our fault if u r not lucky so be a man n deal wiz it
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[quote="STONES"]my dear slayer : u cry a lot ... @ the 1st not our fault u made archer char its was in the begining archers are best char on this server ... no1 cryed no1 told u anythin or cryed to the gm about ur high dex u the only1 crying on this changes server even about upgrades ... not our fault if u r not lucky so be a man n deal wiz it [/quote]
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#29 2014/09/02 18:16:13 |
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"CARNAGE""SLAYER""CARNAGE""SLAYER"Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me. Right I will simplify further for you then.... Again you would see it that way as it favours you do to so....and yes it does affect us more than it does you, I've already said that...but if you can't see the logic behind the spell being stupidly OP/ruins PVP for Dsoma then I give up trying to explain... The example I gave was because I don't deserve something that makes me stupidly powerful just because I put in a stupid amount of hours to achieve something...what is so hard to comprehend? I have more than 200 str it was an example...that it's a difficult goal to reach for archers and requires a lot of extra hours...Do that makes more sense or shall I rephrase it another way?
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[quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"][quote="CARNAGE"][quote="SLAYER"]Look at the facts, of course you will support the spell because you aren't going to have mages of the same calibre using it on you, and thus they likely won't even be able to cast it on you as they will die too quickly. If the roles were reversed you would be moaning believe me.
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Whos fault is that though? that the calibre of mage is different lol I don't understand that comment. That's like blaming someone for being stronger than someone else.[/quote]
The point has to be taken into consideration with the other things I said, don't pick that one bit out.
What I'm saying is that you will back an OP spell because it favours you to do so.[/quote]
I read what you wrote and I'm going to be perfectly honest here all I'm seeing is "zombie is op because our guild has less mages that have it" now that might not be the case but that's the vibe I'm getting. Like I said the spell si there for any serious mage that takes the time to get it
Yeah you worked hard for 200 str so you get a bow? does everyone else get a 200 str something when they get 200 str ;o I don't get the comparison there.
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Right I will simplify further for you then....
Again you would see it that way as it favours you do to so....and yes it does affect us more than it does you, I've already said that...but if you can't see the logic behind the spell being stupidly OP/ruins PVP for Dsoma then I give up trying to explain...
The example I gave was because I don't deserve something that makes me stupidly powerful just because I put in a stupid amount of hours to achieve something...what is so hard to comprehend? I have more than 200 str it was an example...that it's a difficult goal to reach for archers and requires a lot of extra hours...Do that makes more sense or shall I rephrase it another way?
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