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CARNAGE |
Generally speaking have to decide which you value more though range/damage or defense/evasion because you can't have it both ways. Before certain changes archers were almost like the ultimate class they had the range/evasion/defense and even high str, they'll never be this way again.
I mean yeah no one wants to be dealing shit damage constantly but at the same time an archer isn't the class for damage just as you wouldn't play an axer and expect to dodge things.
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[quote="CARNAGE"]Generally speaking have to decide which you value more though range/damage or defense/evasion because you can't have it both ways. Before certain changes archers were almost like the ultimate class they had the range/evasion/defense and even high str, they'll never be this way again.
I mean yeah no one wants to be dealing shit damage constantly but at the same time an archer isn't the class for damage just as you wouldn't play an axer and expect to dodge things.[/quote]
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#61 2015/04/22 13:57:43 |
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TED |
I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped).
So who is going to spend weeks per level (leveling slower than all other classes may I add) just to gain a couple of str and no other stats? please bare in mind the class is pretty slow to level when mobs are like at apai/hogs as well, the advantage of range is of little to no use and the damage dealt/speed is lower than all other classes. Stop trying to use old arguments, answer the above question instead of repeating old points. It's almost like you are saying "bow has had it's time, it's time to be a bad class" well that's cool and all, but do you really want the server to die? (baring in mind how many picked archer).
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[quote="TED"]I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped).
So who is going to spend weeks per level (leveling slower than all other classes may I add) just to gain a couple of str and no other stats? please bare in mind the class is pretty slow to level when mobs are like at apai/hogs as well, the advantage of range is of little to no use and the damage dealt/speed is lower than all other classes.
Stop trying to use old arguments, answer the above question instead of repeating old points.
It's almost like you are saying "bow has had it's time, it's time to be a bad class" well that's cool and all, but do you really want the server to die? (baring in mind how many picked archer).[/quote]
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#62 2015/04/22 14:18:06 |
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WESLEY |
"TED"I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped). Against mages, sword, knuckle and probably spear (because of 2h weps) i'd imagine you'd do half decent damage to them. Lets not forget, you have RANGE. You can literally hit and run the majority of people unless they have stone. Lets not forget to mention the fact that archers rape humans because of dex (Not wanting to switch the focus here, just an obvious point of view).
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[quote="WESLEY"][quote="TED"]I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped).
So who is going to spend weeks per level (leveling slower than all other classes may I add) just to gain a couple of str and no other stats? please bare in mind the class is pretty slow to level when mobs are like at apai/hogs as well, the advantage of range is of little to no use and the damage dealt/speed is lower than all other classes.
Stop trying to use old arguments, answer the above question instead of repeating old points.[/quote]
Against mages, sword, knuckle and probably spear (because of 2h weps) i'd imagine you'd do half decent damage to them. Lets not forget, you have RANGE. You can literally hit and run the majority of people unless they have stone. Lets not forget to mention the fact that archers rape humans because of dex (Not wanting to switch the focus here, just an obvious point of view).[/quote]
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#63 2015/04/22 14:20:48 |
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MONROE |
I agree bow dmg should be less than all class but knuckle, but to do near fuck all dmg at cap to other capped classes and to be almost hit n 5thed sword and 3 hit by axers and dealing fuck all dmg in return. I think it does need to be looked at for devil vs devil pvp atleast.
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[quote="MONROE"]I agree bow dmg should be less than all class but knuckle, but to do near fuck all dmg at cap to other capped classes and to be almost hit n 5thed sword and 3 hit by axers and dealing fuck all dmg in return. I think it does need to be looked at for devil vs devil pvp atleast.[/quote]
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#64 2015/04/22 14:24:53 |
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#65 2015/04/22 14:26:28 |
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WAGAWAGA |
Tyvm ted
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#66 2015/04/22 14:30:03 |
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STONES |
i read most of the thread and i c bulshit tbh u all talking like its cool an cap archer to pk axer not caped need 37hit ... where is the balance here u talking bout guild village its not the main problem here ... its to much complacated we want balanced wtf im not asking for axer have the same dex as archer ... and im not talking bout giving archer same str as axer ...
im talking bout con no server i played made this problem bout con i played many servers i dont remember str was a def i played test server spear user coz of con i see con is most importing thing... and btw lets c in the future ACC% set gene wear it .. we r done dead sainyora bye bye asta la vista and carnage u always talked bout balanced is this balanced to you wot you want me delet stones that i spend 2k houres and start again ... u making here big deal its not btw ... change str/con coz i no when ACC% will come to dsoma all dex class's delete like i said orvoire dex class
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[quote="STONES"]i read most of the thread and i c bulshit tbh u all talking like its cool an cap archer to pk axer not caped need 37hit ... where is the balance here u talking bout guild village its not the main problem here ... its to much complacated we want balanced wtf im not asking for axer have the same dex as archer ... and im not talking bout giving archer same str as axer ...
im talking bout con no server i played made this problem bout con i played many servers i dont remember str was a def i played test server spear user coz of con i see con is most importing thing...
and btw lets c in the future ACC% set gene wear it .. we r done dead sainyora bye bye asta la vista
and carnage u always talked bout balanced is this balanced to you wot you want me delet stones that i spend 2k houres and start again ... u making here big deal its not btw ... change str/con coz i no when ACC% will come to dsoma all dex class's delete like i said orvoire dex class[/quote]
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#67 2015/04/22 14:34:23 |
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CARNAGE |
"TED"It's almost like you are saying "bow has had it's time, it's time to be a bad class" well that's cool and all, but do you really want the server to die? (baring in mind how many picked archer). Like I said I'm not saying I want archers to be in the gutter either but yeah archers have had their time at the top and they're not the class they used to be. A lot picked archer before these changes kicked in probably because they expected them to remain unchanged judging from past servers etc. I bet if those changes were introduced from the very start the amount of character variation would have been different. I used to get all kinds of dumbass responses a year ago from people telling me "Well you should went bow" "You could have picked bow but didn't" etc etc, things sure have changed a lot.
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[quote="CARNAGE"][quote="TED"]It's almost like you are saying "bow has had it's time, it's time to be a bad class" well that's cool and all, but do you really want the server to die? (baring in mind how many picked archer).[/quote]
Like I said I'm not saying I want archers to be in the gutter either but yeah archers have had their time at the top and they're not the class they used to be. A lot picked archer before these changes kicked in probably because they expected them to remain unchanged judging from past servers etc.
I bet if those changes were introduced from the very start the amount of character variation would have been different. I used to get all kinds of dumbass responses a year ago from people telling me "Well you should went bow" "You could have picked bow but didn't" etc etc, things sure have changed a lot.
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#68 2015/04/22 14:35:50 |
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"WESLEY""TED"I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped). You're wrong the damage dealt to other classes (other than a pure non punch mage) is Very low as well, get some of the capped chars to party you in a duel...you will see what I mean!
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[quote="TED"][quote="WESLEY"][quote="TED"]I'm not disagreeing with you carnage, all I'm saying is that we need to take all things into consideration, who is going to bother continuing to play an archer when punching hogs/apai is pretty much impossible long term (as most have found) and you will only gain half the str of any other class per level using bow (as con is useless and dex is capped).
So who is going to spend weeks per level (leveling slower than all other classes may I add) just to gain a couple of str and no other stats? please bare in mind the class is pretty slow to level when mobs are like at apai/hogs as well, the advantage of range is of little to no use and the damage dealt/speed is lower than all other classes.
Stop trying to use old arguments, answer the above question instead of repeating old points.[/quote]
Against mages, sword, knuckle and probably spear (because of 2h weps) i'd imagine you'd do half decent damage to them. Lets not forget, you have RANGE. You can literally hit and run the majority of people unless they have stone. Lets not forget to mention the fact that archers rape humans because of dex (Not wanting to switch the focus here, just an obvious point of view).[/quote]
You're wrong the damage dealt to other classes (other than a pure non punch mage) is Very low as well, get some of the capped chars to party you in a duel...you will see what I mean![/quote]
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#69 2015/04/22 15:04:16 |
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Are we talking about damage per hit including or excluding misses?
If we are including hit-rate, even against axe, bow has the highest damage on Dsoma. |
#70 2015/04/22 15:10:54 |
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KAIDONE |
"S0RCERER"Are we talking about damage per hit including or excluding misses? Surely a swordie will be able to kill an axer with 5th sword and hits quicker than 37 hits or w/e it was for an archer to kill?
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[quote="KAIDONE"][quote="S0RCERER"]Are we talking about damage per hit including or excluding misses?
If we are including hit-rate, even against axe, bow has the highest damage on Dsoma.[/quote]
Surely a swordie will be able to kill an axer with 5th sword and hits quicker than 37 hits or w/e it was for an archer to kill?[/quote]
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#71 2015/04/22 15:25:27 |
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WESLEY |
"TED" "S0RCERER"Are we talking about damage per hit including or excluding misses? You may have the lowest damage but you hit 99% of the time. Check in a duel with a level 100 archer using dodge and a level 100 sword user with just using 1st. See who wins.
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[quote="WESLEY"][quote="TED"]
You're wrong the damage dealt to other classes (other than a pure non punch mage) is Very low as well, get some of the capped chars to party you in a duel...you will see what I mean![/quote]
[quote="S0RCERER"]Are we talking about damage per hit including or excluding misses?
If we are including hit-rate, even against axe, bow has the highest damage on Dsoma.[/quote]
You may have the lowest damage but you hit 99% of the time. Check in a duel with a level 100 archer using dodge and a level 100 sword user with just using 1st. See who wins.[/quote]
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#72 2015/04/22 15:26:19 |
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"STONES"i read most of the thread and i c bulshit tbh u all talking like its cool an cap archer to pk axer not caped need 37hit ... where is the balance here u talking bout guild village its not the main problem here ... its to much complacated we want balanced wtf im not asking for axer have the same dex as archer ... and im not talking bout giving archer same str as axer ... 37 hits to kill me, and 50 swings to HIT someone. At least 1 of us is doing damage. How can anyone with any logic think that an archer needs more damage? Accuracy set?(lol)And approx 130dex vs 200+dex char means nothing at all. Give me 5th sword on a 10sec recharge then you can have some damage. This thread has clearly diverted to a 'let's nerf gene' ramble. I am the only char that you guys don't hurt, and that's because i gear for defense and use PD. Without it you all hurt still, so go and hit someone else because I'm no threat to anyone. In its current state this server devil vs devil is balanced.
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[quote="GENEFUSER"][quote="STONES"]i read most of the thread and i c bulshit tbh u all talking like its cool an cap archer to pk axer not caped need 37hit ... where is the balance here u talking bout guild village its not the main problem here ... its to much complacated we want balanced wtf im not asking for axer have the same dex as archer ... and im not talking bout giving archer same str as axer ...
im talking bout con no server i played made this problem bout con i played many servers i dont remember str was a def i played test server spear user coz of con i see con is most importing thing...
and btw lets c in the future ACC% set gene wear it .. we r done dead sainyora bye bye asta la vista
and carnage u always talked bout balanced is this balanced to you wot you want me delet stones that i spend 2k houres and start again ... u making here big deal its not btw ... change str/con coz i no when ACC% will come to dsoma all dex class's delete like i said orvoire dex class[/quote]
37 hits to kill me, and 50 swings to HIT someone.
At least 1 of us is doing damage.
How can anyone with any logic think that an archer needs more damage?
Accuracy set?(lol)And approx 130dex vs 200+dex char means nothing at all.
Give me 5th sword on a 10sec recharge then you can have some damage.
This thread has clearly diverted to a 'let's nerf gene' ramble.
I am the only char that you guys don't hurt, and that's because i gear for defense and use PD.
Without it you all hurt still, so go and hit someone else because I'm no threat to anyone.
In its current state this server devil vs devil is balanced. [/quote]
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#73 2015/04/22 15:29:33 |
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CARNAGE |
There's times I've duelled capped archers and not even hit once and I have a fair bit more dex than a standard non punch axer, I still lose duels against capped archers not due to damage but purely because of my lack of a hit rate, however when I do hit they feel it.
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[quote="CARNAGE"]There's times I've duelled capped archers and not even hit once and I have a fair bit more dex than a standard non punch axer, I still lose duels against capped archers not due to damage but purely because of my lack of a hit rate, however when I do hit they feel it.[/quote]
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#74 2015/04/22 15:30:15 |
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KAIDONE |
But a swordie using 1st instead of 5th in a pvp situation is unrealistic tbh.
would be an unfair analysis if you ask me ;p |
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