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FEEBLE |
I believe everyone concurs that anvil too harsh. I haven't played in a week because of it. May take another 2 year break 😛
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#121 2019/10/10 11:50:54 |
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WEAPON_STORE |
"LUPISCUS"still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at. its not the fails at +2 or +3 that make people leave boony +1 on the ghost upgrades ... still luck is needed to have 8 succesfull upgrades for the best results but at least people cba to farm weeks / months / ... for the 3 ss it will take
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[quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"]still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at.
Maybe fails materialising into items to use again could be implemented for fails above +2 or 3
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its not the fails at +2 or +3 that make people leave boony
+1 on the ghost upgrades ... still luck is needed to have 8 succesfull upgrades for the best results
but at least people cba to farm weeks / months / ... for the 3 ss it will take[/quote]
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#122 2019/10/10 13:58:10 |
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"WEAPON_STORE""LUPISCUS"still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at. post off sandokan/brave if u want a reply to that...but u dont 'own' them any more those 'handsome rewards' pfff
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"]still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at.
Maybe fails materialising into items to use again could be implemented for fails above +2 or 3
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its not the fails at +2 or +3 that make people leave boony
+1 on the ghost upgrades ... still luck is needed to have 8 succesfull upgrades for the best results
but at least people cba to farm weeks / months / ... for the 3 ss it will take[/quote]
post off sandokan/brave if u want a reply to that...but u dont 'own' them any more
those 'handsome rewards' pfff[/quote]
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#123 2019/10/10 14:13:01 |
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WEAPON_STORE |
"LUPISCUS""WEAPON_STORE""LUPISCUS"still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at. Stick to the topic?
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[quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"]still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at.
Maybe fails materialising into items to use again could be implemented for fails above +2 or 3
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its not the fails at +2 or +3 that make people leave boony
+1 on the ghost upgrades ... still luck is needed to have 8 succesfull upgrades for the best results
but at least people cba to farm weeks / months / ... for the 3 ss it will take[/quote]
post off sandokan/brave if u want a reply to that...but u dont 'own' them any more
those 'handsome rewards' pfff[/quote]
Stick to the topic?
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#124 2019/10/10 14:51:20 |
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LUPISCUS |
"WEAPON_STORE""LUPISCUS""WEAPON_STORE""LUPISCUS"still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at. @ brave/sandokan ..It's a discussion/ opinion type topic. I firmly believe that a guaranteed no fail to +2 is better than a ghosting system where items never fail. Every1 has their own opinion. . .
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[quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"][quote="WEAPON_STORE"][quote="LUPISCUS"]still think the failproof +2 or 3 gives an immediate and beneficial solution to guys without any decent equips atm to knock out some useable stuff to get them back playing. This is a generous tweak for every one.. not to be sneezed at.
Maybe fails materialising into items to use again could be implemented for fails above +2 or 3
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its not the fails at +2 or +3 that make people leave boony
+1 on the ghost upgrades ... still luck is needed to have 8 succesfull upgrades for the best results
but at least people cba to farm weeks / months / ... for the 3 ss it will take[/quote]
post off sandokan/brave if u want a reply to that...but u dont 'own' them any more
those 'handsome rewards' pfff[/quote]
Stick to the topic?
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@ brave/sandokan ..It's a discussion/ opinion type topic.
I firmly believe that a guaranteed no fail to +2 is better than a ghosting system where items never fail.
Every1 has their own opinion.
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#125 2019/10/10 15:00:23 |
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Strongly in favour of items gaining +1 with no benefit if the upgrade fails.
The game / market / casual and lower level players will be able to access weapons with +4/+5 successes that the hard core dont want because they will still trying to be making +8/8 success +3 100% will help but there will still be rage quits when +7 items fail. Furthermore if an item doesnt break alll you need is 1 intense, if you have unlimited toes and SS you will eventually get to 8/8successes if you try long enough and this is what we dont want...
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[quote="KAIDO"]Strongly in favour of items gaining +1 with no benefit if the upgrade fails.
The game / market / casual and lower level players will be able to access weapons with +4/+5 successes that the hard core dont want because they will still trying to be making +8/8 success
+3 100% will help but there will still be rage quits when +7 items fail. Furthermore if an item doesnt break alll you need is 1 intense, if you have unlimited toes and SS you will eventually get to 8/8successes if you try long enough and this is what we dont want...[/quote]
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#126 2019/10/10 17:36:47 |
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THE_D0N |
I'm all in favour of the anvil tweaking. But I think it's on the right direction with the other thread. Everyone wanted a +1 unbreakable upgrade . What they suggesting is a +2 with not losing an item. It fails u keep the item and just lose the tab. Even noob gear would be more benifitial getting a +2 ( still having it ) than the current +1 fail. Taken me 5 years to make my first +8. But my crafting only started a Ur ago. Not long I don't think for a casual. But with +2 u just make 5+ items (+2) and try +ING them.
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[quote="THE_D0N"]I'm all in favour of the anvil tweaking. But I think it's on the right direction with the other thread. Everyone wanted a +1 unbreakable upgrade . What they suggesting is a +2 with not losing an item. It fails u keep the item and just lose the tab. Even noob gear would be more benifitial getting a +2 ( still having it ) than the current +1 fail. Taken me 5 years to make my first +8. But my crafting only started a Ur ago. Not long I don't think for a casual. But with +2 u just make 5+ items (+2) and try +ING them. [/quote]
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#127 2019/10/10 17:48:03 |
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RAVENSOUL |
I think this anvil issue needs more discussion before anything is implemented to the upgrading in Soma.
We are a community and the community has in this thread shown that the majority are not in favour of the suggestion made by Isylver, and after kicking my brain into gear I agree with what players have expressed concerns on it. Have the first 2 upgrades basically guaranteed doesn't solve the issue it just shifts it up the line and the issues instead of being from the first attempt are now moved to the third attempt. But I can't get onboard with this fake/ghost +1 either, the crafter in me tells me I would still rather lose it than keep it and get a +1 with no improvement to my item, it's would be a crime for me to see +1 and nothing improved. I believe any tweaking to the anvil should be put on hold awhile longer and allow us all to continue this discussion and throw ideas around, because the community has the intelligence to come up with the right solution that works for everyone. We may not all agree with one another at times but I know we are want the same improvements to this anvil issue.
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[quote="RAVENSOUL"]I think this anvil issue needs more discussion before anything is implemented to the upgrading in Soma.
We are a community and the community has in this thread shown that the majority are not in favour of the suggestion made by Isylver, and after kicking my brain into gear I agree with what players have expressed concerns on it. Have the first 2 upgrades basically guaranteed doesn't solve the issue it just shifts it up the line and the issues instead of being from the first attempt are now moved to the third attempt.
But I can't get onboard with this fake/ghost +1 either, the crafter in me tells me I would still rather lose it than keep it and get a +1 with no improvement to my item, it's would be a crime for me to see +1 and nothing improved.
I believe any tweaking to the anvil should be put on hold awhile longer and allow us all to continue this discussion and throw ideas around, because the community has the intelligence to come up with the right solution that works for everyone. We may not all agree with one another at times but I know we are want the same improvements to this anvil issue.[/quote]
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#128 2019/10/10 19:13:00 |
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"RAVENSOUL" Good to see it being discussed - Maybe put it to a poll and see what everyone thinks? Personally think the fail gives a +1 is great, why would you rather lose it than keep it with another +1? Surely better to have a +1 with no upgrade than having it break completely. Imagine the same with a +7 weapon... If it fails you got nothing, or you got a +8 weapon (With no improvement on your +7)
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[quote="KAIDO"][quote="RAVENSOUL"]
But I can't get onboard with this fake/ghost +1 either, the crafter in me tells me I would still rather lose it than keep it and get a +1 with no improvement to my item, it's would be a crime for me to see +1 and nothing improved.
I believe any tweaking to the anvil should be put on hold awhile longer and allow us all to continue this discussion and throw ideas around, because the community has the intelligence to come up with the right solution that works for everyone. We may not all agree with one another at times but I know we are want the same improvements to this anvil issue.[/quote]
Good to see it being discussed - Maybe put it to a poll and see what everyone thinks?
Personally think the fail gives a +1 is great, why would you rather lose it than keep it with another +1? Surely better to have a +1 with no upgrade than having it break completely. Imagine the same with a +7 weapon... If it fails you got nothing, or you got a +8 weapon (With no improvement on your +7)[/quote]
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#129 2019/10/10 19:16:06 |
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RAVENSOUL |
It's the crafter in me I'm afraid I wouldn't be happy with fakes/ghost +1 on an item I want perfection and genuine +1
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#130 2019/10/10 19:19:49 |
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"RAVENSOUL"It's the crafter in me I'm afraid I wouldn't be happy with fakes/ghost +1 on an item I want perfection and genuine +1 Yeah, then you can still aim to make +8/8 success items with the same probaility as they are now For those who don't want perfection (Most of the server, casuals, low levels etc) they will be happy with making a weapon that has +4 or +5 out of 8 successes?
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[quote="KAIDO"][quote="RAVENSOUL"]It's the crafter in me I'm afraid I wouldn't be happy with fakes/ghost +1 on an item I want perfection and genuine +1[/quote]
Yeah, then you can still aim to make +8/8 success items with the same probaility as they are now
For those who don't want perfection (Most of the server, casuals, low levels etc) they will be happy with making a weapon that has +4 or +5 out of 8 successes?
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#131 2019/10/10 19:23:49 |
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WOLF8 |
there aren't many other options apart from the 2 discussed .. unless we could squeeze a +3 no break/fail option out of the gm's..maybe ppl would go for that... or it's the ghost option +1 every time regardless of upgrade success..
whatever option the gm's go for.. it can only make life easier.
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[quote="WOLF8"]there aren't many other options apart from the 2 discussed .. unless we could squeeze a +3 no break/fail option out of the gm's..maybe ppl would go for that... or it's the ghost option +1 every time regardless of upgrade success..
whatever option the gm's go for.. it can only make life easier.
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#132 2019/10/10 19:42:28 |
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RAVENSOUL |
Here's a proposal what do you think about if it fails instead of a fake/ghost +1, a fail removes a set amount of dura to the item for good. Each fail lowers dura on the item?
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#133 2019/10/10 19:43:27 |
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WOLF8 |
guaranteed +8's all the time? ..maybe with less dura...errr unless im misunderstanding u
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#134 2019/10/10 19:45:27 |
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RAVENSOUL |
Was just throwing it out there hoping someone could improve it :(
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#135 2019/10/10 19:48:31 |
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